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Post by Anonymous on Jan 11, 2004 16:10:03 GMT -5
For the record, I personally don't think downloading MP3's is right, because it fails to keep Mom and Pop independant record stores in bussiness, and not because of anything the record industry puts out (which Jamie was a voicebox for just there, and he needed a slap in the face.) This is reality. If you don't want to see it in MP3s dont give it out--go to a label that won't. Sure I've never met the guy, I've never met that guy from Metallica that keeps whining the same points as Jamie, but that doesn't stop me from making MY judgement of the situation. As I said--everyone's free too. Saying "don't hurt Jamie" belittles you. Jamie can fight his own battles, and he can do it with reason, instead of bandwagoning (that fuck you was well placed hah!)
People are going to buy albums. People are going to buy ten dollar meals. It's all where your priorities lie. Living (buying a ten dollar meal) can be, better than "paying the record bill". (which is just as pricey) Why do we buy records? To collect something, to have some tunes for work? We all have our own reasons and we need to examine them.
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Post by hipperthanu on Jan 11, 2004 22:14:36 GMT -5
phil j: people like you make me sick. in the future i'll be sure to get a degree in audio engineering before making a comment. i know exactly what lossy compression is. it's a compression scheme that (generally speaking) takes out parts of the sound that the human ear can't necessarily hear. it attempts to remove parts that it hopes won't affect the sound of the file.
oh, and fuck you, asshole.
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Post by somebody on Jan 11, 2004 22:40:21 GMT -5
i see what you're trying to say, but you make things sound so easy when it really isn't. "well, if you don't want it out there, go find a different label" well, then, you must be an independent artist or own a record label to say such a thing and make it sound like the simplest thing in the world. i think you're taking things out of context. and anyway, your "judgement" is beyond critiquing his simple statement to purposely trying to push people's buttons. if that wasn't the case, i'm sure you could have made an effort to not sound like an asshole.
about the whole bandwagoning thing...this is the xiu xiu board, friends and fans alike are on here. us belittled? that's laughable considering your actions. as friends and people who deeply respect him, yes, some of us take a few minute to write a response, especially if you're being a jerk about it. open board, open for anyone's opinion, right? i'm sure jamie has real "battles" to fight...no time or care to check back on a message board every day to reply to someone who doesn't even respect him and makes him feel like he has to defend himself. it's petty bullshit he doesn't care for...and, frankly, neither do it.
i'm done with this. you can have the last word.
take care.
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Post by Anonymous on Jan 11, 2004 23:23:45 GMT -5
my position is this:
I want the major labels to lose money, because the major labels spend $0 on experimental music, instead choosing to press the new Britany Spears or whatever. They enable an audience (already limited in the field of tolerance) to listen to the same drek from 80 years ago or more by pushing it through the media onto the radio/media. They make a bigger buck off merchandising.
Without MP3's where would any band be? They would have to work the club circuits to build a rep, something that requires a lot of payola or talent, but mostly payola.
With MP3's it becomes very easy to release things yourself, independantly. You are the artist and no one else can copy you perfectly, and they wouldn't want to.
When the labels hurt from MP3s its a wake up call.
What you call petty bullshit I call "god inside the details".
You talk about this being an open board, but did I attack you first? No you refered to people like me. Of course you should expect a defense.
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Post by Anonymous on Jan 11, 2004 23:24:51 GMT -5
gosh well you're superfriends.
please dont take my care bear pillow.
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Post by Noel on Jan 15, 2004 8:07:58 GMT -5
Wow, its amazing how this has all progressed. Just like to say that Im aware of the new album being up for download, but waiting for it on cd will just make it even better first time! Respect goes out to Zack who bought the Dizzee Rascal album. I admit, a saw a promo copy of the new cLOUDDEAD album and so i bought it! 3 months before its officially out. I do get an attack of the guilts so im gonna buy it properly when its out. XIU XIU come to England!!!!!!!
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Post by Phil J on Jan 16, 2004 14:34:09 GMT -5
phil j: people like you make me sick. in the future i'll be sure to get a degree in audio engineering before making a comment. i know exactly what lossy compression is. it's a compression scheme that (generally speaking) takes out parts of the sound that the human ear can't necessarily hear. it attempts to remove parts that it hopes won't affect the sound of the file. anyone can look up that info on Google. fine, you know what the basics are. good for you. but the comment that really made me laugh and jump to post my response was "addy". let us PRAY that you were joking, which i must assume you were, because it was so ridiculous. anyways, digital mediums can't touch a brand new analog medium in terms of quality. I don't care what you think you can hear, blah blah blah. Im here to inform you of your error. perfect new record or cassette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Book CD or digital file. too bad analog is degradable. if only we could have that perfect sound everytime we played the record or tape. |
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Post by midwestshock on Feb 3, 2004 16:00:29 GMT -5
anybody who wants to argue who and how this affects people can do it in the empty building my record store used to be in. seriously.
xo justin
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Post by Julian on Feb 5, 2004 11:23:13 GMT -5
I agree with the idea of mp3 downloading leading people to new music they wouldn't hear otherwise, but I think that idea has been clarified enough.
My other point is, music downloading (which yes, I do it on occasion) is probably the only means of me having new music. I am currently in school and I have so many expendatures where I simply don't have the money at this point to buy a CD. I can't go out when I am on a very strict budget, and especially after paying for tuition, room and board, books, food and closes, go to a store and pay 12-16 bucks for every CD that I'm interested in buying. Xiu Xiu is the exception in this case, I've put off money for the new one. But I probably could afford to buy more music if I buy records since I have a turntable, but record labels brilliant idea to press a handful of copies that are only available to people who go to the first show it's available at, or who wait online until they are available to click the "Add to Cart" button. LPs are great since they typically save me a few dollars, but labels choose to limit certain albums, particularly my favorites, to a select few individuals. Some of who often buy more than one copy to sell on eBay or Gemm at an exponentially high price. If mp3s are available to me right now free, I'm not going to limit myself to music because I don't have the time to fit in a job to afford CDs, but I will download them until I have enough money to buy ones that I like, that determination which is made after listening to the mp3s. If I do like the music, I would certainly go to a show, but unfortunately none of which come around me since I'm in a small college town. Certainly these labels have their other means of profit through shows, shirts and other merchandise, which have been increasing in price even though you can't p2p clothing.
If these smaller record companies want to limit their loss from file sharing, they could offer incentives to people who buy directly from them (i.e. free stuff, first availability at limited items or new releases) like a few labels have done. But unfortunately, labels would rather start crusades against the people who support them, rather than trying to help themselves. Their determination to end file sharing (mostly the major labels) have made their image into a group of egotistical and greedy companies who don't care for their consumers, which doesn't encourage the average buyer to pay them which will inevitably support the labels cause to punish the buyers.
In all honestly Jamie, I think mp3s have made your music what it is today. If I gave the people I turned onto Xiu Xiu a description of your music, they would be frightnened. But instead, I had the opportunity to send them a few songs and they loved it and went out a bought a CD or few themselves. Most people won't go out and buy a CD by only having a recommendation and they would certainly reconsider if they saw a CD cover with a naked asian prostitute holding a baby and they were thinking of buying this without even hearing the music.
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Post by pckles on Feb 5, 2004 14:30:12 GMT -5
the 'a promise' cover art is attractive, espec. with the white spine.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 5, 2004 14:45:31 GMT -5
Downloading music has only separated real music fans from people who wouldn't have bought the record anyway. If you steal the new Xiu Xiu album, not only are you taking money out of Jamie's pocket, but you are also fucking up his Karma. He worked hard on the new album. He poured his ever loving soul into this album. The goal of a release date is for everyone to hear the album on the release date. If everyone has already heard the album before the release date, the album looses its mystery. Harness the mystery. Remember those priks in Colorodo that stole Jamies eqipment? If you steal Jamies new record you are in turn being a prick, and nobody wants that.
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Post by Julian on Feb 5, 2004 16:03:53 GMT -5
Wow, that was the most fallacies and generalizations that I have ever seen in that short of a statement. No one can say for sure whether or not the leak of Fabulous Muscles will affect anything, because as of right now it's unknown. I'm not taking the blame off of anyone for downloading it, but you can not yet say that it's stealing money. Especially since all the copies the mp3s came from were free anyways.
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Post by hipperthanu on Feb 5, 2004 22:06:43 GMT -5
fucking up his karma hahahaha. classic!
and comparing us to people who stole his equipment (and were therefore not fans, supporters, contributers, promoters like most on the board are). was another good touch.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 6, 2004 13:18:01 GMT -5
I was mostley trying to be funny. Sorry about causing unrest. Of course the internet has done rightious things for indee bands, but we've got to buy the albums, and you guys already know that.
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Post by faZe on Feb 10, 2004 0:32:08 GMT -5
Care all,
I'm new. This is my first post. Just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion. File sharing is, of course, not bad it's self. It's just a tool. It's what people choose do with it that makes it good or bad. If it wasn't for file sharing, I would have never heard of Xiu Xiu, would have never bought a CD at a show, nor seen a show, for that matter.
On the other side, an hour south of me, in Charlotte, NC, Manifest Records, an indie chain, just announced it was closing all of it's stores, affecting the jobs of a hundred people and ruining one of the few reasons left to visit Charlotte, mostly because of file sharing and their lost record sales.
But getting back to Jamie's rant on file sharing and the leaked new album. If one hundred people who never heard Xiu Xiu before downloaded Fabulous Muscles and only one ends up buying the CD, then that's one extra sale, not ninety-nine lost sales. I think, in the end, Jamie comes out on top no matter how many people don't buy his music because it's so freely available on the net.
Love, faZe
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