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Post by forsythe p. jones on Jul 13, 2004 3:32:15 GMT -5
duuuude and went to Hell on Boxing Day, 1988, because he was an unrepentant sinner who didn't believe in Jesus Christ. was that all necessary?
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Post by Kenneth on Jul 13, 2004 4:27:10 GMT -5
josiah edward hughes, I originally came here simply to post a notice about my website. I have continued on because people have engaged me in conversation ever since. Some have been pleasant, and some have been like you. I now find participation in this forum interesting. To answer your question, I don't want or need your sympathy and I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity. I would note that this board is called 'Religious, Political and Philosophical debate'. Though not trying to convert you, I'm never afraid to share or defend my beliefs. One of those beliefs is that you can't talk people into being Christians. The Bible says in Romans 2:4: Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. I believe a person will only get saved when he or she understands the true nature of God and is drawn to Him of their own volition. It does help to have Christians praying for that person's salvation. With regard to your assertion that my statements are ridiculous, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to not agree with it. I will never perform my music in Abbotsford again for the reasons outlined at www.thepunks.com/thelist.html and I could care less whether you're interested or not. With reference to the subject of loneliness which you raise, I have God, family, close friends, associates, aquaintances, clients and even pets. I don't think I'm any lonelier than the next guy. Pertinent to your envisioning me as a lonely man who wants attention, you are entitled to your fantasies. I will affirm that I enjoy attention and the company of my fellow human beings as much as you or anyone else. As far as feeling sorry for me goes, I think you'd be better off feeling sorry for yourself. And finally, all joking aside, when you're praying for me to God before you go to bed tonight, I would also take up the matter of you deliberately provoking me and calling me things like idiot and chump while professing to be a Christian when the Bible says: 1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? I'll say a prayer for you before I go to bed. Have a good sleep, brother.
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Post by josiah edward hughes on Jul 13, 2004 10:37:06 GMT -5
josiah edward hughes, I originally came here simply to post a notice about my website. I have continued on because people have engaged me in conversation ever since. Some have been pleasant, and some have been like you. I now find participation in this forum interesting. To answer your question, I don't want or need your sympathy and I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity. I would note that this board is called 'Religious, Political and Philosophical debate'. Though not trying to convert you, I'm never afraid to share or defend my beliefs. One of those beliefs is that you can't talk people into being Christians. The Bible says in Romans 2:4: Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. I believe a person will only get saved when he or she understands the true nature of God and is drawn to Him of their own volition. It does help to have Christians praying for that person's salvation. With regard to your assertion that my statements are ridiculous, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to not agree with it. I will never perform my music in Abbotsford again for the reasons outlined at www.thepunks.com/thelist.html and I could care less whether you're interested or not. With reference to the subject of lonliness which you raise, I have God, family, close friends, associates, aquaintances, clients and even pets. I don't think I'm any lonlier than the next guy. Pertinent to your envisioning me as a lonely man who wants attention, you are entitled to your fantasies. I will affirm that I enjoy attention and the company of my fellow human beings as much as you or anyone else. As far as feeling sorry for me goes, I think you'd be better off feeling sorry for yourself. And finally, all joking aside, when you're praying for me to God before you go to bed tonight, I would also take up the matter of you deliberately provoking me and calling me things like idiot and chump while professing to be a Christian when the Bible says: 1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? I'll say a prayer for you before I go to bed. Have a good sleep, brother.
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Post by r-dub on Jul 13, 2004 12:11:02 GMT -5
wow, this is getting intense.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Jul 13, 2004 20:30:28 GMT -5
yah well.. what about
Mark 5:5 "And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones."
yah..
think about it
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Post by jonny hughes on Jul 13, 2004 23:34:34 GMT -5
listen up yo, it's "JAWKNEE HEWZ," back from work. i got a job doing roofing and it's really hard, so i don't have time to read this, because i go to sleep so early. actually, what i should say is, I JUST DID A 25 MILE ROOFING JOB AND MADE LOVE TO MY OWN FACE IN THE MIRROR, YET I STILLETH HAVETH THE PATIENCE TO TALK TO THEE PIGETH, SINNERS. just so you know, i'm JUST JOKING.
but, kenneth...i'm very disappointed with you. first of all, i wrote "i want to hear more from kenneth the guest..." (THAT'S IT! it was a little joke!) and then you went into some big session about my accomplishments and accused me of AGEISM?!
dude, i think it's useless for me to tell you that i've been praying for you too, after seeing what you did to josiah.
it's people like you that make me so unbelievably mad. but don't worry, you don't need to judge me about it in your response to this, because GOD is the only judge who deals with my anger. i've actually prayed that i won't get so hostile when i read your posts and i pray for forgiveness for myself judging other people.
but dude. seriously. it's not very nice that you keep insulting people and my friends. i don't have a place to judge, and that's why i'm not. but i'm just saying, try and look into your own heart, or at least realize the bible verse "but in humility, consider others better than yourselves." i know you'll just tell you me already knew that, so you don't need to respond to that comment, but just think about it in your quiet-time.
since this is the religious section, i can say whatever i want. so i'll say this: christianity to me, is nothing to do with comparing traits and accomplishments of people. it's about trying (and constantly failing, but still trying!) to live as christ. the main realization i've found is that everybody, including myself, in this world is completely fucked up. so it's not my place to judge anyone, or think i'm better than anyone (but obviously i still do judge, because i suck at immitating christ).
finally, i know everyone is having fun reading all this stuff, but people...please don't remember the things ken says about christianity, because--i'm very serious, no offense to kenneth--they aren't correct. please just ask someone who's legit about christianity.
peace.
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Post by Lisa on Jul 14, 2004 1:51:38 GMT -5
I have been loosely following this whole thing, and I have a couple questions. First of all, how old are you actually Kenneth? Because you seem to be wasting a lot of time on here, like a teenager would do.
and Secondly, in the begining of this thread you continually were stating bible verses, and then you proceeded to say that You are not religious, but believe Christ is your savior, and the only person that will judge you, is Christ, you sort of dropped after that comment, stopped quoting the bible so much, I mean it was a contradiction. Then this last page you go on to talk about not trying to convert people to christianity, which seems like you are a christian and are "religious". so which is it? do you wholeheartedly believe Christ is your savior, or are you being some half assed person on the fence, just because you like to argue?
Personally I am finding you rather offensive to my faith, by doing what you are doing.
and one last thing you seem to be replying to everyone's comments so seriously, when clearly they are jokes. I really do not care what you have to say to this, I was just wondering about this all. Purely for clarification reasons. I think everyone would appreciate it.
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Post by Kenneth on Jul 14, 2004 2:38:55 GMT -5
Jawknee,
I will now address myself to your latest offering on a point by point basis. You tell innocent little jokes like Satan lovingly deceives people into eternal Hell. You've been throwing sleazy, sanctimonious slurs at me for over a month now. Am I to believe that all of a sudden you're this sweet, little Christian boy, and my brother in Christ? That comes off as the biggest joke you could ever tell, especially when the Bible says: 1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
I honestly could care less whether you are 'disappointed' with me. God is my Judge. When I made reference to 'Kenneth the Guest' it just seemed more than a coincidence that he would magically appear, ever ready to further derogate me, upon your slightest command. It provoked me to offer to compare my character and accomplishments with yours, or those of your sleazy little sycophant, anytime. The offer still stands. Regarding 'ageism', I'm not falsely accusing you of it. You are guilty of ageism and you know it. If you deny it, you are simply a bald-faced liar and the Bible says there won't be any liars in Heaven. You owe me an apology. After all the abuse you have hurled at me, for you to now suggest you 'pray' for me is really quite amusing. As far as josiah goes, he got exactly what he asked for. I make you unbelievably mad because you're arrogant and as you so succinctly put it "pompous". You can't stand the thought that an intelligent, articulate person who can defend himself would call you on it. I am happy to hear that you are attempting to dialogue with God in prayer. I urge you to continue to humble yourself before the Cross and pray. You could never get too close to God for my liking. Before you criticize me for insulting people, and your friends, you might want to ask yourself, and them, why you and they insulted me first. You go on to say you have no place to judge, and that you don't judge, but later on you say "but obviously i still do judge". Make up your mind. Regarding your admonition to examine my heart, I agree. I would recommend it for everyone, including you. I'm pleased to see you paraphrase Phillipians 2:3 "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves". I hope you will quote it back to yourself every day between now and when you meet your Maker, and I will try to do the same. I have never said that comparing traits and accomplishments of people had anything to do with Christianity. I do agree with you whole-heartedly that an important aspect of Christianity is "about trying (and constantly failing, but still trying!) to live as christ." The only difference is that I would spell Christ with a capital 'C', but I don't think you did it intentionally. Although I know there is an uncountable multitude of people in this world who are spiritually blind and evil and lost, I can't agree with your observation that "the main realization i've found is that everybody, including myself, in this world is completely fucked up." I believe there are many Christians in this world who are very together in terms of where God would want them to be in their walk with Him, and I am proud of them. To me, they would be those Christians who are truly the embodiment of Mark 10:44: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all." I am pleased to hear you say "so it's not my place to judge anyone, or think i'm better than anyone (but obviously i still do judge, because i suck at immitating christ). It is so refreshingly humble to hear you say, after being derogated by you for so long. With no offense intended, I would only add that I don't think you have it all quite in proper perspective. I don't think Scripture tells us to 'immitate' Christ. It says in Romans 8: 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 12 says: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. 14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. I think there is a subtle, but critically important difference between 'immitating Christ' and being 'transformed by the renewing of your mind'. In closing, you say "finally, i know everyone is having fun reading all this stuff, but people...please don't remember the things ken says about christianity, because--i'm very serious, no offense to kenneth--they aren't correct. please just ask someone who's legit about christianity." Can you please quote one single thing I have ever said about Christianity or Christian doctrine that is not Biblical? I will conclude by noting that this is the closest I've seen you come to talking and acting like a Christian. If you really are my brother in Christ, and you are now prepared to stop insulting me and attempting to disparage me and provoke others to disparage me, I will stop throwing it back in your face and perhaps we can get along.
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Post by josiah edward hughes on Jul 14, 2004 8:19:24 GMT -5
kenneth, in regard to you over-reacting about us making fun of you... christians can joke too. i'm sorry, on behalf of myself and anyone else who wishes to include themself (which is jawknee for sure), that you can't take a joke. the truth is, show your list, your website, your comments on here, and the picture of tits on your website, to any pastor or other christian brother, and i can guarantee to you that not one of them will approve. and now you're going to say the same thing about the things i've written on here, right? well, kenneth, i was being playful. i called you innocent names like "chump" and pointed out your erroneous remarks...all of these things i would have done to my closest friends. what you are clearly lacking is accountability. if you had any sort of patience or any concept of grace, you wouldn't be condemning people to hell like it was the 1800s again. though you defend yourself relentlessly, it is obvious that you are filled with hatred for the marginalized, which is entirely unchrist-like. kenneth, you are an offense to everything i pride myself in standing for, and i hope that instead of now finding a way to tell me there are no people like me in heaven, like you did jawknee, that you just think about the things i have said.
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Post by Arkham on Jul 14, 2004 11:15:08 GMT -5
Jawknee, Regarding 'ageism', I'm not falsely accusing you of it. You are guilty of ageism and you know it. If you deny it, you are simply a bald-faced liar and the Bible says there won't be any liars in Heaven. You owe me an apology. ...I make you unbelievably mad because you're arrogant... ...I urge you to continue to humble yourself before the Cross and pray. The only difference is that I would spell Christ with a capital 'C' do you really think a little razzing on a message board actually is grounds for calling someone a liar in the biblical sense of the word? you've got a tremendous ego and you take this message board stuff as if it were life and death. he doesn't owe anyone an apology because if you actually feel hurt by something on a message board and you're in your forties, no offense, but you deserve to be made fun of. christian or not, he's a kid, and you just act like one. wwjd in this situation? he certainly would not tell someone they are going to hell if they wouldn't admit they were a liar and apologized for it. that's a pretty obvious extreme judgment in my opinion.you need to start taking all this with a grain of salt and realize what the motivation behind these insults are. if you act like a fool, people will treat you like one in my experience. i am actually thankful that kenneth started posting here one day. this board can be sort of dull sometimes and seeing kenneth's daily rediculous statements help to give me some perspective.
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Post by Kenneth on Jul 14, 2004 11:55:31 GMT -5
josiah edward hughes,
I would differentiate between 'over-reacting to making fun' and responding to vitriolic attacks. I know Christians can joke, too, and from my perspective, you are the humorless ones. My family and friends have always noted that I have a wonderful sense of humour. It may not shine through as brightly when I'm being relentlessly derogated. I can even see the humour in malevolent cut-throats sounding and acting 'Christian' all of a sudden. As a source for biographical information and a starting point for discussion, I would be pleased to have any pastor or Christian brother or anyone else consider my website. I'm proud of it. I've never said I was perfect. Contrary to your accusation, there aren't any naked 'tits' on my site. I am aware that some people may not appreciate my candor. It is usually those who have transgressed against me, or their supporters. To me, it is such a joke for you to characterize calling another believer an idiot and a chump as merely being "playful". Why don't we talk with your pastor about that? Actually, what you zeroed in on was a rare spelling error, which is fair game, if you're desperate for some excuse to continue to put me down. With regard to accountability, I am accountable to God, like everyone else. I will never be accountable to people like you. With regard to your statement "if you had any sort of patience or any concept of grace, you wouldn't be condemning people to hell like it was the 1800s again.", who are you to judge me? It is true that I have stated that certain unrepentant types will ultimately go to Hell, just like the Bible does, and even stated my opinion about people who I believe are in Hell already. I have heard numerous pastors and preachers talking about Hitler and Stalin and many others as being in Hell. Relative to your observation that I defend myself relentlessly, it is true and I shall continue to do so with enthusiam. It is no crime to defend oneself. If you didn't constantly insult me and try to belittle me, I wouldn't have to. I offer no apology. With regard to your statement "it is obvious that you are filled with hatred for the marginalized, which is entirely unchrist-like.", first of all, you are passing judgment on me again, as if you were Christ, and you are just dead wrong. I don't hate anyone. You state that I am an offense to everything you pride yourself in standing for. I think 'pride' is the key word here. It would be offensive to me to think you could be 'proud' of calling a believer an idiot and chump while trying to pass yourself of as some self-satisfied, glorious Christian. With regard to " i hope that instead of now finding a way to tell me there are no people like me in heaven, like you did jawknee, that you just think about the things i have said.", first of all, this is a deliberate distortion of what I said. I told jawknee that he was guilty of ageism, as clearly evidenced by his malevolent, so-called poll. Secondly, I told him if he denies it, he's a bald-faced liar and that the Bible says no liars will be in Heaven. I did not say people like him would not go to Heaven. That is not my call. I hope you will solemnly deliberate upon what I have said, and pray about it.
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Post by r-dub on Jul 14, 2004 14:27:31 GMT -5
"My family and friends have always noted that I have a wonderful sense of humour"
...yeah, my mom says i'm cool too.
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Post by r-dub on Jul 14, 2004 14:32:30 GMT -5
"It is true that I have stated that certain unrepentant types will ultimately go to Hell, just like the Bible does, and even stated my opinion about people who I believe are in Hell already"
doesn't the bible also say something about jesus forgiving sins and dieing for them...so that we don't have to go to hell. i'm confused on this contradiction. please explain, oh wise kenneth. or anyone else for that matter.
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Post by neilsucks on Jul 14, 2004 15:47:18 GMT -5
"It is true that I have stated that certain unrepentant types will ultimately go to Hell, just like the Bible does, and even stated my opinion about people who I believe are in Hell already" doesn't the bible also say something about jesus forgiving sins and dieing for them...so that we don't have to go to hell. i'm confused on this contradiction. please explain, oh wise kenneth. or anyone else for that matter. yeah, man. i read that in john chapter 3 somewhere.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Jul 14, 2004 15:59:26 GMT -5
yah basically those who don't repent from ther sins and somehow 'let jesus into their hearts' will spend eternity in hell
christian dogma 101
the big deal is that jesus is quoted as saying that he is the 'only way to the father', which is why christians get upset when people start worshipping other gods.. and that's why more than half of humanity is destined to burn in the pit of fire for all of time after one life of maybe 100 years if you're lucky..
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