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Post by neilsucks on May 18, 2004 22:04:11 GMT -5
ha. i had a woman from church flat out tell me she had no respect for since i've had the mohawk. i thought that was a very efficient way to make people not want to be involved with that church.
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Ruby Soho
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mental slavery with the clever disguise
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Post by Ruby Soho on May 19, 2004 0:36:41 GMT -5
What? Who told you that?
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Post by wiley on May 19, 2004 2:05:51 GMT -5
pay attention boy! the woman from the church.
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Post by Julian on May 19, 2004 2:42:51 GMT -5
I'm really in no position to state what punk is, I can only reflect what I've read and heard...and last time I checked it was about going against a norm. Wiley, you obviously have some sort of moral or health based standards...and that's dope. We've come to some sort of misunderstanding. So let me restate. I have NO, yeah check that, NO problem with killing animals. I haven't written anything to that notion, what I did say is that I have a problem with our society and how detached we have become with the process of attaining what we need to survive (clothing, meat whatever). We have no fucking clue. If you think that punk is about "doing what you want", I have a suggestion for you and Julian, fucking grow up already. Either get your mindless office job or work in your mill and smoke your brains right out and start listening to your Silverchair, because you have no clue what punk is and you have no right being associated with it. Do something different or go away!!! My mindless office job? Silverchair? Do you even know what you're talking about? Punk is simply thinking for yourself. And don't tell me my rights either, thats another thing i hate. Please get smarter. |
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Post by Juloin on May 19, 2004 11:02:19 GMT -5
OI OI OI OI OI...
dunna dunna...don't tell me what to do do
*cries*
OI OI OI OI OI!!!
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Post by marco on May 19, 2004 14:27:06 GMT -5
punk is lame.
listen to neil young.
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Post by slayer on May 31, 2004 14:17:54 GMT -5
listen to slayer
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Post by Steve M on May 31, 2004 21:38:52 GMT -5
dude,
after the goldrush
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Post by Big D on Jun 1, 2004 23:40:17 GMT -5
this thread fucking sucks, very few quality points have been made. Here's the thing, I like you Chad, so don't take offense, but the militant attitudes about this topic are lame, it's more grating then a televangelist. You make some good points, society does have a lazy attitude about consumerism and much else, and yes McDonalds is the whorehouse of food and I honestly hope to be able to stop frequenting places like it. But not because I think it's morally wrong to eat meat, just because of their policies and lack of quality and health. I like punk and hardcore, and I like standing for something, and I also like meat. If this makes me a douche, oh well.
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Post by wiley on Jun 2, 2004 9:45:30 GMT -5
i guess were just posers
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Post by chad loin on Jun 2, 2004 17:11:25 GMT -5
But not because I think it's morally wrong to eat meat, just because of their policies and lack of quality and health. and that's all I was saying...I didn't say anything about morals. also, if you look back I said that I didn't have a problem with killing animals or liking meat, I had a problem with what's in meat, and what kind of industry it has become. Like you said, "their policies and lack of quality and health". I started this thread for the vegitarians and vegans on this board, because I've been thinking about becoming vegan and I wanted to hear why people have become vegitarian or vegan. Then some dudes started going on, as I was almost sure they would, about why they personally eat meat etc. I don't care if people have a different view, but I wasn't hearing anything constructive or mind-blowing as to why I should be eating meat, it sounded more like a statement..."I eat meat because it's good". So I then took the liberty to offend these people for a laugh...and it worked. I did this because one time my friend told me that this message board is only interesting when you can offend 80% of it's viewers (and just to think that this friend would end up falling for the joke too? that's amazing). You're not a douche, and I really am not militant. However, I do believe that people are becoming WAY apathetic and that p u n k and hardcore is about rebellion so it is SUPER disheartening when people don't even question things that they should be. In reality it's stupid of me to comment on people who I only know from a message board, and it's stupid for anyone to do that. But sometimes it's really funny to see how people react. |
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Post by neilsucks on Jun 2, 2004 19:53:29 GMT -5
dick! i take offence to everything you just said.
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Post by emmanuelxgoldstein on Jun 3, 2004 0:52:07 GMT -5
werrrd.
I'm with you completely, Chad. Even though, I'm sure I stated my personal choices before hand, yeah. I've done this myself with many people, and often times the scariest and most absolutely agitating thing about a person is a difference in view. For, we know it to be true that there is strength in conviction, and when there's an incredible amount of reason and the result of consequence backing up those choices and beliefs... it's difficult being told that you're "wrong". So, sometimes, this is all you can do.
Oh, and by the way Chad, I would have really liked to have been at the show last night man! I hope you guys played rad (and I know you did), I would have loved to be there to throw it all down and get in on the sing along action. Hopefully I'll get out to some of your upcoming shows!
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Post by dirtybrunette on Jun 9, 2004 2:11:29 GMT -5
A half dozen years ago I cut out the meat.
My brother, who was already vegetarian, sort of set me down and gave me a really long talk about Animal Rights, quoting from all sorts of books he'd read, as well as his own personal philosophies on the matter.
Now, personally, I was a big meat eater. As well as a self-professed "couldn't give a fuck about fuck all" kind of person, but after his big lecture I put a lot of thought into it, and, although he gave a lot of solid arguments (i won't waste space here with them, cuz most people skip the gratuitous message board rants) but what it really came down to was this:
I could not continue eating meat if I was unsure of whether or not it was morally justified.
That's like saying "Guilty until proven innocent".
Nowadays I've been vegan for over 3 years, so obviously I'm not just a fence-sitting pussy, but I think the issue at large is, do we make too much of a distinction between our thought and our actions?
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Post by dirtybrunette on Jun 9, 2004 2:17:22 GMT -5
Also, nothing drives me crazier than the thought of someone munching halfway through a hotdog before deciding that they weren't hungry afterall and chucking it in the trash.
Anyone who gives the whole "it's natural to kill for food" argument has really no bearing on human environment, because in the natural world predators kill more or less the amount of food they need, and what they don't eat is usually picked off by birds, bugs, or scavengers of some sort. Ol' Mother Nature has no way to contend with a society in which people easily eat 4 times what they should (let alone the amount of food on which they could survive) and probably waste an amount of food equal to that which they consume.
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