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Post by jules on Oct 8, 2007 6:31:29 GMT -5
I don't know. I don't think we should judge how others like to enjoy a gig. Just cause it's different to yours doesn't mean its wrong. I'm getting a bit older now and I still like to go to the front, sometimes jumping about, sometimes standing still. Each to their own as long as it causes minimum disruption to others. As for cameraphones being worse than cameras, thats just silly. What should it matter to one what medium they use to snap away. Maybe people want to re-live the memory, maybe they don't go to many gigs and video/snaps will keep them happy till the next one. maybe they want to show it to their friends/impress their friends, maybe show their mum, maybe to post on the internet, who knows? Who cares. I agree the issue is the over abundance of cameras (of all descriptions) rather than the quality of the finished photo/video, but in my experience the "real" camera people are more discrete with their equipment. It would seem from what victoria said that there was an expectation that they might capture that exlusive performance rather than getting the odd clip for sentimental reasons. I know that people like to be able to capture and share the unique / rare performance of songs and I don't think that is a bad thing, but if you are in the middle of a mass of heaving bodies the results will be crap so it's really just better to pogo away instead. I totally agree that we shouldn't judge our own enjoyment based on how others behave and if soemone wants to just stand and take it all in then that's fine by me. In fact Owen is one of those performers who can make an audience just stand (or sit when he tells them) in awe, although I can see that being disconcerting when you don't get a reaction. |
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Post by jollyness on Oct 8, 2007 6:49:08 GMT -5
The quality of the photos doesn't really matter. As we all know there are much better photos from the gig to view later online. I think the enjoyment comes from the photo showing your view of the artist/band. What you could see. Your experience of the gig.
I used to take photos from the crowd on a camera. But I got bored of having to worry/look after it/trying to get a good shot rather than watching the song. I have a camera phone now (with a decent pixel capacity) and I think I will take some photos next time I'm at a gig. It's a nice memory for when I'm ancient!
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Post by pearl on Oct 8, 2007 9:16:08 GMT -5
i used to be more into taking pictures too but it's just sort of distracting and you can't really focus on the music when you're watching the viewfinder at the same time, so now i rely on other people who just spend their time filming really for after the show. i'm just a humongous poopyface djfliejlf?
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Post by victoria on Oct 8, 2007 12:25:40 GMT -5
The DC show featured girls fighting for the front row. Fighting with their bodies. I deflected a purse with my elbow. Whoa....yikes! I'll admit I was standing front row for this show, but no one was even pushing us from behind...it was all very cooperative, but everyone was still dancing and jumping around like crazy, in the first few rows at least...I didn't pay attention to much of what was happening farther back than that. Plus, it's a Patrick Wolf show....there's no reason to be unhappy! There is only reason to be happy! SO happy! |
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Post by chrisl on Oct 8, 2007 22:16:28 GMT -5
I noticed the massive amounts of camera phones at Patrick's show in Boston last Thursday, and I agree they were really obnoxious. My problem with it was that it wasn't just a quick photo here or there. There were literally at least 10 people holding up camera phones to videotape whole songs. And for what? A pixelated mess with terrible sound quality? I don't get it...
Another thing, the crowd's response to the opening act (Bishi) was a little disappointing. Sure, most people weren't familiar with her, but she was absolutely amazing and everyone just clapped politely. All in all, though, a pretty good show.
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Post by joegia on Oct 9, 2007 9:05:57 GMT -5
There were a ton of them when he played Montreal on Friday as well. Really something of a nuisance. A bunch of regular cameras as well, flashes going off constantly. When I go to a show, I like to enjoy the music, dance a bit, take in the experience and remember it through that. Not through pictures.
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Post by IamFrostey on Oct 9, 2007 13:02:27 GMT -5
I noticed the massive amounts of camera phones at Patrick's show in Boston last Thursday, and I agree they were really obnoxious. My problem with it was that it wasn't just a quick photo here or there. There were literally at least 10 people holding up camera phones to videotape whole songs. And for what? A pixelated mess with terrible sound quality? I don't get it... Another thing, the crowd's response to the opening act (Bishi) was a little disappointing. Sure, most people weren't familiar with her, but she was absolutely amazing and everyone just clapped politely. All in all, though, a pretty good show. I was pretty bummed out that I couldn't make it to that show. |
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Post by pantomime on Oct 9, 2007 14:37:47 GMT -5
It seems a little overly cynical to say that people taking photos - bad quality though they may be - is a stupid reaction to being at a Patrick Wolf show, or any show for that matter. I agree that sometimes taking a photo, with a camera or phone, can help you to remember where you were during the concert and how it looked from your point of view. Whenever I go to concerts I'm always in this hyper-adrenaline state that doesn't lend itself to remembering things very well, so I take 1 camera-phone photo per concert purely for the purposes of looking over it afterward when I'm bored and remembering the feeling. You also have to consider the way that Patrick Wolf represents himself. Sure, he does a lot to go the extra mile for his fans to make concerts memorable, but I don't think you can say there's no consideration for visual presentation in what he does. Almost every show he's wearing something totally different and crazy than the night before. If someone goes to great lengths to create a visual show, I don't really see what's strange about wanting to record it somehow. That said, people lifting their arms up in front of your face to take videos and pictures constantly, in such a way that it blocks your view and disrupts your experience IS shitty, and shouldn't be done. It just seemed weird to me to say that, because Patrick Wolf's music is raw and personal, people should react to it by dancing instead of taking photos or standing with their arms crossed, humming along to the music. Music is so built around personal experience straight from the creation of it to the vehicles we experience it through; I just don't understand the basis for any argument that says that there should be a standard reaction to it - whether the idea that people in the front should dance and flail around or that the audience should not take pictures but instead stand in awe. I think the only time when people should be wary of their reactions is when it becomes intrusive, or rude as rue put it, to other people who have the same right to experience the music as you. That was really long-winded, sorry for ranting. PS - Victoria nobody was pushing you guys because Jackman and I were standing behind you, and we know how to use our elbows.  |
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Post by jcfargo on Oct 9, 2007 15:22:09 GMT -5
I am so glad that I took countless pictures at Patrick’s show on Saturday. I have been waiting too long to see Patrick live as I was in Japan when he came to Toronto last. I was more than willing to pay a $100 penalty to change my flight so I could attend the show; but unfortunately, all the return flights to Toronto were fully booked. My point is, when Patrick came out on stage Saturday night and opened with “Get Lost”, “Overture”, and “Wind In the Wires”, I was almost in tears (this is coming from a 24-year-old male). I have been listening to Patrick’s music for so long and his songs mean so much to me, so naturally, I wanted to capture my favourite moments in pictures form so I could look back and “relive” the beautiful concert (who knows when he’ll come back to Toronto).
I have a blog, livejournal, etc. and I frequently upload concert photos to share with other fans. I do that because I know when I see pictures of other Patrick Wolf shows that people took from around the world, it makes me happy because I am enjoying the photos through their eyes and I know how much pleasure that got out from his shows.
In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with people taking photos and videos as long as they do not disturb other people as well as the artist/band on stage. As for dancing and moving around at shows, it really depends on the person. I personally love to move around during a show; however, there were times during Patrick’s show when it felt so surreal for me that I stood completely still.
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Post by victoria on Oct 9, 2007 15:41:55 GMT -5
I completely agree with both of the above. I know at the show in May it was such a surreal experience that I felt I had to capture the whole thing to ensure it actually happened! Also, watching videos and looking at photos from that show, and any other of Patrick's really just lifts mine and other hearts. I know even though this show was just this past Saturday it's been a joy watching the videos over and rememering just how wonderful it was.
And yes, when Patrick walked out on stage on Saturday night PAINTED in glitter the image is something that won't leave my mind regardless of having photos of it, but it's nice to have them.
I hate when I'm at shows and people consciously ruin your videos or photos because they disagree with what you are doing - but let's be serious here, who hasn't gone on youtube after a show to see if their favourite of the night had been captured.
p.s. ah! thank you Liam and Jackman for your excellent use of elbows.
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Post by jules on Oct 9, 2007 16:29:02 GMT -5
So I think we all agree that as long as it doesn't disturb other people and spoil their enjoyment (or distract the performer) then its not a crime, but a shame that the pictures/ videos are not as great as we would like. Have we decided if we are pro or anti facebook yet by the way?
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Post by meryl on Oct 10, 2007 8:10:11 GMT -5
This is like a Patrick Wolf fan invasion thread, suddenly.
I'm pro-facebook till you start getting MY {STUPID CLIPART-BASED APPLICATION} invitations by the shitload. It was so much cleaner and more efficient than myspace, like the Mac to its Windows... why'd it have to turn so ghastly?
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Post by suburbanmyth on Oct 11, 2007 3:51:20 GMT -5
While I certainly understand how annoying people can be with their camera phones, I have NOTHING, no, not a thing! against people who are out there filming and getting off great shots on their very nice digital cameras! & then are generous enough to share all that awesome music & footage on this forum. yup. (thanks, Victoria!) Someone's gotta do it, & it won't be me as I will DEFINITELY be dancing, or squirming, or not-still & my camera is too bulky & full of that odd filmishness stuff. (facebook schmacebook.  1.there's no music 2.it's littered with fiendish friend whores 3.i've been bit by zombies, vampires, pirates, had food & small animals hurled at me & told i'm hot. fuck that. 4.did i mention there's no music? yah, that. gah!) |
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Post by pipipipipi on Oct 12, 2007 18:44:23 GMT -5
i managed to somehow get a picture of a girl taking a picture on her phone when isaw him in glasgow
it actually turned out with an almost decent composition type thing going on
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Post by emilyrose on Oct 14, 2007 9:54:43 GMT -5
Good show, though, it was like a Brecht opera but without the communism. GENIUS |
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1.there's no music 2.it's littered with fiendish friend whores 3.i've been bit by zombies, vampires, pirates, had food & small animals hurled at me & told i'm hot. fuck that. 4.did i mention there's no music? yah, that. gah!)