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Post by TheDeadTexan on Jan 12, 2007 15:47:33 GMT -5
How are you, Miranda?
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Post by dr. strangelove on Jan 12, 2007 16:13:02 GMT -5
and we miss you... welcome back
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Post by SINISTER FUNKHOUSE on Jan 14, 2007 13:48:52 GMT -5
thanks!
check it. i just got whiplashed again! two hours too late, boy. hahaha.
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Post by dr. strangelove on Jan 16, 2007 17:03:03 GMT -5
ok, this c-word thing has gotten to the level of extreme hilarity
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Post by SINISTER FUNKHOUSE on Jan 16, 2007 17:12:14 GMT -5
this is over the top in a way which i did not expect at all in the funniest way ever. i am never using racial slurs on that site again, but meet me in person and i swear to god i'm not apologizing for anything.
this thing is so ridiculously poltically correct that i want to vomit and swallow my puke and vomit again but laugh while doing it and i just pictured this and that makes me want to puke even more but not swallow it.
i can't stop laughing, but should i actually be concerned? fucking christ.
a quote from a smart woman about racist words: it sounds just like a word to me.
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Post by dr. strangelove on Jan 16, 2007 17:36:16 GMT -5
i think sensitivity is important, but what usually happens is this: you don't think about something being insensitive until it concerns you or someone you care about
hence the reason jamie, who uses "insensitive" words all the time, responded to the "chink" comment; because for him, that word has been used against someone he cares about. But then he suggested you use "cunt" instead, which could be considered insensitive by women (although i've been told it's used as a form of salutation between men in the UK... odd....)... personally, i think "cunting" is the greatest adjective in the world (thank you Exorcist), and i use it with frequency, as does my hyper-feminist female friend, but she's also a fan of bikini kill and the riot grrrls, so she definitely fits into that "reappropriation" category... then again, she says it's ok for me to say it as i'm a gay man, and therefore only use it, along with the word "bitch," with a sense of irony/reappropriation... from me, bitch is a compliment... hell, jamie has jumped on the reappropriation bandwagon himself by naming an ep "fag patrol." but does the fact that he's bi/whatever/sexual make that ok?
and i'm rambling because i'd rather not be doing what i'm being paid to do, but i should stop, so i'll try to make a point and get back to work
i generally stay away from racial words, but use the others with pleasure :-)
"do you know what she did, your cunting daughter?!"
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Post by thisshitisoranges on Jan 16, 2007 19:17:16 GMT -5
"everyones a little bit racist" from the broadway show Avenue Q is a great/really funny song
no one here a theatre nerd?
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Post by SINISTER FUNKHOUSE on Jan 16, 2007 23:32:53 GMT -5
i just tried to post on the site but there was a problem. CONVENIENT TIMING?
i'll post it here first instead, incase i won't be able to post at all.
fags started calling themselves fags to take power away from those who'd call them that word derogatorily.
the word lost power because people stopped giving it power by making it more special than other words.
150 years ago the preferred term for afro americans was coloured folk, over "nigger" (see how when i quote it, i don't get into trouble?). and then later it became negro but then that became associated with all the negative history that was associated with coloured folk. now, we're at the point where the preferred term is person of colour. see how it all comes back? slightly different, though... what jamie was saying about his highschool. racially, people are sensitive about these words because of the historical context of these words. and we just keep changing what the appropriate word is, but eventually, whatever the current word becomes common will eventually be associated with the negative. you can't avoid that.
the offense taken with these words will continue to be taken offensive until the social issues that make people so fucking uncomfortable about these words are corrected. so get out your protest records and imagine EVERYONE BEING THE SAME. is that really better? no. so shut up.
the bums that she calls homeless still aren't eating. and the broads that she calls womyn still get raped.
i'm rambling on and on, but to speak about political correctness for a second. i agree with david. the idea of political correctness is not offending anybody unless completely unavoidable. so i think it's clear that there is no such thing as a white.. or.. pure politically correct human being. so why do we try? trying does nothing but accent the problem. it's like you go through a book and there's a sentence in that book that you're absolutely disgusted by. and you highlight the sentence with a highlighter and it does nothing but draws attention to it.
or... it's more like you black that sentence out, and it gives that sentence a mysterious power that is almost equivalent to highlighting it. whereas if that same sentence was written on every page of the book, clear, uncensored, it would have less power.
political correctness tries to correct what people think by correcting what they say. it doesn't change how they think, it changes how they talk and not in the politically correct way. we're all like suburban pseudo rebellious teenagers who get said no to, so we do it over the top.
people will always apply their own racism in a politically correct manner. for example, conservatite radio talk show hosts. they might believe that the majourity of blacks are lazy and criminal, but they're not going to say that. they're going to say that people of african descent are... etc. but not even that clear as day. they have their sneaky ways of public racism. they're going to say "statistics have shown..." or "a recent survey of african americans aged 18-35 has shown..."
this one's obvious. you can say the word fuck you somebody and they'll cringe. you can say sex. but you can't say fuck. fuck it. there's no point. i don't even know why i'm still going on with this post. you're all extremists.
i think we can all agree that there's too much sensitivity with certain issues, it just depends on which issues with some people. clearly i hit a nerve with racial slurs. everyone draws their own line. unfortunately i don't have a line, and now i've got to keep an eye out for everybody else's line. i just hope to god i can still type the word "women" and not "womyn". if the feminazis get on my case for writing something now, i'm walking down the street in nazi gear. what i just wrote. that definitely hit a nerve with somebody. i thought i had a point, but it left my head. oh well.
even my token joke, the nacho cheese. that was originally a racist joke. and i would have always said it in it's entirety if i had remembered the whole thing. somebody's smoking too much crack. racism, skinheads, crack, opiates, nazi gear... this is oshawa. i'm dead serious. fuck valentics. this is my home town. there's an evil genius here from my home town. m. macgyver. i posted his picture a while ago. we were talking about this exact same thing earlier.
racist speech should not be prevented. it should be dissected and debated to expose the misconceptions and falsehoods contained within.
hate crime laws are complete crap. threats are threats; assault is assault; and murder is murder. a motive is part of the way guilt is determined AFTER a crime is commited. the motive should never be treated as a crime itself. making motives for crime, a crime in and of itself, creates what is essentially thoughtcrimes. this form of fascist censorship is mind control. racism is a thought process, and a stupid one at that... stupidity should be discouraged by education, not punishment. the world would be full of prisons if stupidity was a criminal.
racism isn't based in fear or hate, it is infact a form of love. narcissistic in origin, it's the natural tendancy to prefer things that are not unlike yourself. everyone is a racist to some degree... unless you hate yourself.
what is racism a fear of? people and cultures that are different than your own. why do you fear them? because you're threatened by competing on the same level. why are you threatened? because you believe that the things you're familiar with and the people that resemble you are somehow superior. why do you believe that? because you're a narcissist unaware of your primal desire to group with others of your kind. you don't need to hate to be a racist, you only need to think your kind is better. racism is love.
being proud you were born black/white/gay/straight/italian/irish/muslim/christian/whatever, makes no sense to me at all. i draw the line at taking pride in anything you have no direct control over. i recognize that tendancy is based out of our evolutionary process and survival instinct. it's natural to love and want to protect your own... that instinct is just as stupid as pride. but i accept both as long as they don't infringe on other people's freedoms.
julio, are women allowed to say cunt because they may be one, or they own one? i have no idea where this sexist debate came in here. but if anybody has any problem with anything i say, for the love of satan, don't email some poor guy that has nothing to do with something that comes out of my mouth (unless one day he gets a tour bus) about it. talk to me directly. at sinisterfunkhouse at hotmail dot com.
while posting this, i came back and forth from the premiere of american idol. that's useless debate people have. laugh at the people, feel bad about it, and go on. fuck it.
is anything next? birth control? suicide? drugs? homosexuality? american idol? pop culture? that whole post modernism debate? canada? america? iraq? george bush? (please, not george bush.)
fuck it all.
the only difference is that in the first post, there are pieces of eye candy involved. i'm too lazy at this point.
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Post by TheDeadTexan on Jan 17, 2007 1:53:43 GMT -5
"everyones a little bit racist" from the broadway show Avenue Q is a great/really funny song no one here a theatre nerd? Ben! Animal Collective coming to TX in May! Dooooooooooooood you better be there. Also, my dad calls me a fag sometimes because I don't like girls. sad face.gif
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Post by kitchencabinet on Jan 17, 2007 2:35:55 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG_RKHHJRbgErnest Becker's Denial of Death is an amaaaazing book. His theory is that all culture is created out of death anxiety. We all know that death is inevitable and therefore try to connect with ideas that are larger than our limited human vulnerability. Sometimes people are related to social contexts against their choosing. The context of race and what it means to be black in america is linked to the history of slavery beyond an idea. I'm not for censorship at all. This kind of discourse is great. But the denial that words like fag and nigger have a history as derogatory words used to support hateful ideas seems like ignorance to me. Words are subjective. Sympathy is love not racism. If you have enough sympathy for somebody to see why they might find a word offensive that is different than being PC for the sake of being PC.
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Post by SINISTER FUNKHOUSE on Jan 17, 2007 12:45:24 GMT -5
so it turns out i'm not being censored. i just posted it.
that's the end of it, though.
plus the idea of racism is love is one way to look at it, out of many.
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Post by SINISTER FUNKHOUSE on Jan 22, 2007 20:57:56 GMT -5
blah blah emailed.
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Post by head not full of deathvisions on Jan 23, 2007 0:49:53 GMT -5
miranda,
the saddest thing of all is that you are too proud to just come to terms with and accept the fact that something you made a choice to say in a very public outlet has offended (hurt) many people. because we can all see through your attempts to make this about censorship when in reality you are trying to defend the fact that you thought something so incredibly stupid and insensitive was funny/amusing enough to share with other people. i doubt many people are truly sympathetic to your continuous arguments (excuses) in favor of your actions. arguments like "that's just bullshit" aren't going to get you anywhere. it's really quite pathetic. grow up and at the very least be responsible for the consequences of your words and how it couldn't help but affect how some people would percieve you differently, even if you would like to defend your use of the c-word for the rest of your life. what's so hard about saying, "i'm sorry my words offended some people?" it just takes a little bit of "giving a fuck about someone other than yourself." stop being selfish, and stubborn, and own up to the chance that maybe you were wrong. otherwise, maybe you should stick to posting in the rolling stones blog, or slipknot, or hatebreed or livejournal...because you should know enough about a band like xiu xiu to know that that kind of humour is not going to be met with laughter and acceptance, especially on thier own website, which to many could be a representation of the band itself. did you really think they would just stand by without calling you out on the kind of shit that goes against some of thier basic beliefs?
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Post by kevin on Jan 23, 2007 6:48:24 GMT -5
to me it just looks like a bunch of gibberish thats trying to be "creative writing" but comes nowhere fucking close. miranda, weren't you supposed to be going to detox or something? jesus christ.
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Post by matea on Jan 23, 2007 7:00:10 GMT -5
this is so boring.
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