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Post by sarpedon on Apr 3, 2012 23:07:22 GMT -5
I think of Montreal put on a great show; visually and musically as well. I probably should have withheld my initial statement, seeing as how I was never a very big fan of theirs to begin with, that makes it somewhat meaningless ;x ---ON TOPIC: While there are *some* glaring similarities and other differences (namely the the lyrics and vocals, as Owen pointed out), the main negative to come out of these situations is there will undoubtedly be people who treat Kishi as wholly original, because they have never heard Owen's music, which would be unfortunate, since I vastly prefer the wit, substance, and style of the latter, to the apparent "iTunes commercial"-ness of the former; which I think may be along the lines of what Alyssa! said. |
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Post by Owen from Final Fantasy on Apr 4, 2012 1:07:14 GMT -5
Personally I feel a great affinity for the way that Indian classical music is assessed. After the show, the reviews state that "the mood was created", or the opposite.
Furthermore I didn't wish to imply any hostility toward the band "of Montreal", they are solid people and their album "Hissing fauna..." has maintained my sanity on several occasions. I wouldn't call myself a superfan, insofar as I couldn't sing any of their songs to completion, but I have nothing but respect and interest for them and their endeavours.
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Post by sarpedon on Apr 4, 2012 1:23:10 GMT -5
Personally I feel a great affinity for the way that Indian classical music is assessed. After the show, the reviews state that "the mood was created", or the opposite. Furthermore I didn't wish to imply any hostility toward the band "of Montreal", they are solid people and their album "Hissing fauna..." has maintained my sanity on several occasions. I wouldn't call myself a superfan, insofar as I couldn't sing any of their songs to completion, but I have nothing but respect and interest for them and their endeavours. I didn't take it that way, and I hope no one else did, and I'm sorry if my earlier comment made it seem that way; had they not been constantly played around me by people that left me high and dry when my health got poor shortly after, my perspective would probably be more balanced.  |
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Post by Alea on Apr 5, 2012 18:57:56 GMT -5
UM I found a legitimate Owen clone. Does anybody know who this guy is? vimeo.com/32490510He literally has the same facial structure and past haircut as you, Owen. And he does the same wide-eyed stare-at-the-ceiling look when he sings. |
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Post by Alea on Apr 5, 2012 19:51:32 GMT -5
Apparently he's only been playing violin for 3-4 years
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Post by sarpedon on Apr 5, 2012 20:04:46 GMT -5
UM I found a legitimate Owen clone. Does anybody know who this guy is? vimeo.com/32490510He literally has the same facial structure and past haircut as you, Owen. And he does the same wide-eyed stare-at-the-ceiling look when he sings. Now THIS is inarguable. www.myspace.com/wintercoatsmusicApparently he's an Aussie. While imitation may or may not be the most sincere form of flattery, it definitely can be the most unsettling.. |
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Post by Alpentine on Apr 6, 2012 2:07:06 GMT -5
---ON TOPIC: While there are *some* glaring similarities and other differences (namely the the lyrics and vocals, as Owen pointed out), the main negative to come out of these situations is there will undoubtedly be people who treat Kishi as wholly original, because they have never heard Owen's music, which would be unfortunate, since I vastly prefer the wit, substance, and style of the latter, to the apparent "iTunes commercial"-ness of the former; which I think may be along the lines of what Alyssa! said. I think this is okay. Even if people consider Kishi Bashi wholly original, they're probably not listening to him purely due to that. We may think they're missing out on Owen, but at the same time, everyone is missing out on all sorts of music they haven't listened to yet. of Montreal's Paralytic Stalks is incredible and much different from his previous albums. I feel like it's original, but I can't believe this because of what I just said. |
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Post by skuldchan on Apr 10, 2012 22:37:58 GMT -5
I realize the topic is drifting slightly away from Kishi Bashi, but if you guys actually listen to his album, you'll realize that "Manchester" is only song he has that really approaches anything close to Owen's techniques. The rest of his songs incorporate different elements, and I don't think his sound or his songwriting is anything like Owen's at all.
There's plenty of people who do looping violins, and every single person I've heard so far sounds different, and sounds interesting.
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Post by theaiproject on Apr 19, 2012 9:40:04 GMT -5
No way! Their musical styles aren't similar at all! Even "Manchester" doesn't sound a bit like OP. Kishi Bashi is pretty decent, though his lyrics really aren't great- I read a funny interview with K where he said that Kevin Barnes told him something like "I'm really worried about you! Your lyrics are horrible!" Kishi Bashi's aesthetic is fun semi-ambient pop. It sounds much more like The Ruby Suns than Owen Pallett.
If you're referring to the looping violin, lots of people have been doing this ever since looping machines were invented. Claiming K stole the technique from Mr. Pallett is like saying Mark Knopfler totally ripped off Jimi Hendrix by also playing the electric guitar. And if your argument is that we should be upset because other people will think Kishi Bashi is being entirely original, Owen Pallett was not by any means the first person to use a violin with a looping pedal. And besides, getting upset over a technique reaching a wider audience is silly. People are obviously enjoying the music, so why get upset over it? If Owen Pallett wanted to reach a wider audience, he would probably make more pop-oriented music (which is not to say that his music isn't immediately accessible- it just may not be so for everyone). Owen's music never gets stale-it gets better with every listen, which is something I wouldn't say about Kishi Bashi's recent album and EP. But they're fun and I'm sure people will like them, so the world is all the better for it, in my opinion.
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Post by kishibashi on Jun 2, 2012 0:56:41 GMT -5
....so I don't know what I'm doing here, but I felt my "internet ears" were burning. I'll just dive in... I'll shamelessly admit that, when developing my solo live set last year, I looked to the masters: Owen Pallet, Tuneyards, and Andrew Bird to see what was possible in looping. I'm actually a fan of Owen (am I allowed to call him Owen?). As having a lifelong love affair with all things music, I can totally tell that he has that as well. He's a fantastic musician, songwriter, and composer. He looks like he might be a nice guy. I don't know. I've never met him... I get asked a lot about what I think about my own comparisons to him or Andrew Bird, and I honestly admit each time that I don't give a floating fuck about it. music = music = music. As artists, we just grab whatever tools are at arms length to express ourselves. anyway, Owen, if you're reading this, I'd love to meet you  Of Montreal is coming to NXNE in Toronto in June, and I have some kind of small ass show on 7/31. e-mail me if you'd like to come and hang out. best, k roomfordream@gmail.com |
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Post by gammonize on Jun 2, 2012 6:00:00 GMT -5
*gasp*
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Post by violaine on Jun 3, 2012 11:51:38 GMT -5
I gotta say, it is pretty god damn infuriating to have you two and Andrew Bird compared every single time any one of you is mentioned, without fail. In addition, judging something poorly based on how "derivative" it is extremely bizarre, because what sense does it make to like an individual work less because of something that it reminds you of? There's a difference between ripping off and taking strong influence. This will bother me until the eeeend of time.
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Post by Carlo on Jun 14, 2012 1:24:43 GMT -5
This guy`s really starting to grow on me! I`ve looked at a couple of performances on youtube and his beatboxing and violin stuff is pretty awesome!! Sometimes I think he has to work on his singing a bit  |
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Post by Alpentine on Aug 4, 2012 6:34:32 GMT -5
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Post by Owen from Final Fantasy on Aug 4, 2012 13:55:33 GMT -5
See, this is why, whenever I post something online, I post non-anonymously. Take responsibility for the things you say, right? Your regrets are your own.
Also, this is a textbook example of Voice-related blogs exploding their headlines into the most inflammatory angle, but hey, we all linked through, right?
Anyway I had dinner with KB and his opening act Tall Tall Trees and some Aussie ex-pats. Dinner was good, we talked about film scoring and a woman's prerogative for hair removal. I am 100% pro-hair and describe a moustache on a woman as a viable accessory, that is, works great on its own or with glasses, but shouldn't accompany large features or piercings or beauty marks. The Aussies disagreed, they are 100% anti-hair, and they made some good counterpoints.
Both KB and Tall Tall Trees used old-school looping devices, both of them Line 6's, I believe? I felt a sense of regret when watching them. On one hand, the Line 6s sound very lo-fi to my ears and I thought about explaining via e-mail some more hi-fi options. On the other hand, I remembered the pleasure of an effects pedal's simplicity and economy, and it was present in their music-- unburdened by techno fascism, their creativity was maximized. Does that make sense? My own rig sounds like a million bucks but it's such a chore to hump around and set it up, even just to practice. The process is slowed, if you get me.
So yeah, it was a great show and made me very happy. Between their sets I drank a Black Russian and watched women's power lifting.
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