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Post by ben on Jan 17, 2010 12:25:58 GMT -5
Don't take this the wrong way, but no, I don't. Fair enough! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 13:56:54 GMT -5
Oh thanks Owen. I googled it, but didn't get too far. I like this guy. A good suit and Fender Rhodes combo. p.s. your album rocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 16:42:15 GMT -5
I have an actual Heartland related question now that perhaps Owen of someone else au fait with orchestration could answer for me.
On Lewis Takes Action when that riff/theme comes in after the second verse at say 2.12 roughly...
are they playing in parralel semitones appart... as if each note in the melody is actually a tone cluster of a few notes? It reminds me of Glenn Branca guitar chords. Sounds amazing!
Or is it just some digital effect on Owen's violin part?
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Post by jules on Jan 17, 2010 18:30:14 GMT -5
I've still not been able to get hold of Monody because Tin Angel haven't released it in the UK yet
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Post by wingedwhale on Jan 17, 2010 20:57:56 GMT -5
lamonti,
I have an answer to your question about "Lewis Takes Action." It's from a Spinner.com interview (http://www.spinner.com/2010/01/11/owen-pallett-experiments-with-analog-synths-on-heartland/):
On the track 'Lewis Takes Action,' Pallett describes the process of infusing his compositions through a ring modulator, a signal effect that distorted the sound he was looking for. But it doesn't stop there. "I recorded my violin through a ring modulator, then I sat down and figured out all the frequencies that were being generated," he says. "Then I scored what you're hearing as an orchestral recreation of a ring modulator sound."
So he's recreating an effect without the effects part. I think it's neat!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2010 3:19:52 GMT -5
ahhh ring mondulation! of course! i knew it sounded like that now that you say it.
really takes the whole "orchestra as synth" concept up another notch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2010 7:28:28 GMT -5
lamonti, I have an answer to your question about "Lewis Takes Action." It's from a Spinner.com interview (http://www.spinner.com/2010/01/11/owen-pallett-experiments-with-analog-synths-on-heartland/): On the track 'Lewis Takes Action,' Pallett describes the process of infusing his compositions through a ring modulator, a signal effect that distorted the sound he was looking for. But it doesn't stop there. "I recorded my violin through a ring modulator, then I sat down and figured out all the frequencies that were being generated," he says. "Then I scored what you're hearing as an orchestral recreation of a ring modulator sound."So he's recreating an effect without the effects part. I think it's neat! Just go into over-drive on the nerd front, I've since read that plotting out the frequencies of a ring modulation is a technique that has been used in spectral music... eh? |
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2010 7:14:12 GMT -5
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Post by JackAltman on Mar 24, 2010 17:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by dot on Mar 24, 2010 19:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by An Amateur on Mar 27, 2010 3:08:34 GMT -5
I miss Ann and her easy breaded pork chops. She spammed my heart and left without saying goodbye. Sigh.......
All this melancholy has me thinking about Heartland again, which is why I would like to discuss my favourite song, "E is for Estranged". We've covered a lot of topics on the album, but we have yet to really decipher this one song's place in the conceptual flow of the Album. In the article Ben posted, Owen Pallett said himself that this song didn't belong on Heartland because it was too personal, but I'd have to disagree. I think the whole album might be more personal than Owen Pallett is willing to admit, and E is for Estranged is what lead me to this conclusion.
I was hesitant to open up this discussion before, as Owen's personal life is not our place to pry, and I thought his proclivity to peruse these forums would be too intimidating for us. But you have to think that when an artist writes and releases something personal, they're inviting you to witness an intimate part of their lives. It's natural for fans to ponder over the meaning behind such meaningful songs, regardless of how little they know the person who wrote it. Not many of us know Owen Pallett, but we know about him, so there's some capacity for interpretation.
I'm starting to believe E is for Estranged is in fact the cipher for understanding Heartland on a deeper level. As far as we have deduced, Heartland is about a heterosexual man rejecting the mold beset to him by his creator, whereas E is for Estranged is about Owen Pallett, who to my knowledge, is a homosexual atheist. It occured to me, then, that Lewis' story might be a fictional parallel (or reversal) to Owen's life. The main character was following a religion that asked him to be something he wasn't, which is how he came to realize that he didn't need religion or god to appreciate his life and the world around him. I've little doubt that Owen chose this message because it reflects his own view on life.
So how does this relate to E is for Estranged? I'm diving into territory well beyond my comprehension, but let's just consider this hypothetically. E is for Estranged is about a father and son who have become, as the title suggests, estranged to one another. The cause of their estrangement is elusive, and there could be many reasons, but the general theme of Heartland leads me to believe that it has something to do with their beliefs. Perhaps the father is a religious man, perhaps he is a church organist, and perhaps his son, who might be a gay atheist, did not grow into the mold that his god and his religion beset for him. It may not have formed any resentment between the two, but I can imagine it would result in a degree of estrangement.
Or perhaps it has to do with the act of creation itself. Perhaps the classically trained son feels as though he has failed his father's expectations as an artist, and that his music is all lies and bullshit. Perhaps E is for Estranged is the author's way of admitting his own fallibility as a god and as an artist, which is why he has written a character to rebel and slay him. Either way, I can't write it off as having nothing to do with Heartland or Lewis. Wherever Owen's mind was at when he was writing Heartland, this song also came out of that, so there's bound to be some connection.
Whenever people try to interpret a personal song, they tend to draw knowledge from their own experiences, which is why I'm sure a lot of you have you own impression of E is for Estranged. I just feel like it's the heaviest song on the album, which demands the most interpretation. But of course, there's always the fear that Owen will just pop in and say "Well, actually....." so I can understand why you might avoid it.
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Post by ben on Mar 27, 2010 7:26:46 GMT -5
^ This is addressing a lot of things I've been thinking about recently concerning this album. Your conclusions, to me at least, make a lot of sense. It does feel weird talking about Owen here in this way, but as you say, he put it out there to generate thought and discussion, so let's think and discuss!
But yeah, I wonder how much of your hypothetical conclusion is actually true? I'm not sure I ever actually want to know, but it's definitely fascinating to speculate.
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