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Post by Arkham on Nov 16, 2004 0:06:52 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6496898/One of the Marines noticed that one of the severely wounded men was still breathing. He did not appear to be armed, Sites said. The Marine could be heard insisting: “He’s f---ing faking he’s dead — he’s faking he’s f---ing dead.” Sites then watched as the Marine raised his rifle and fired into the man’s head from point-blank range. “Well, he’s dead now,” another Marine said.
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Post by Dio on Nov 16, 2004 16:19:19 GMT -5
what a terrible thing. its sad how its only just one terrible thing on a list of terrible things thats happening in iraq.
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Post by Ruby Soho on Nov 17, 2004 4:28:46 GMT -5
I saw that on the news today. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, and yet at the same time I could believe what I was hearing. It's something completely different when you see it and when you hear about it. I think it's terrible how immune we become to terrible news like that. Perhaps I shouldn't have accepted it so readily when hearing it, but the fact is, it's a war. It's not right, it's not fair, and it's not just, but it's going to happen.
What's even more terrible however, is that we judge that marine so quickly on his actions. Normally, I wouldn't have much of a problem with that...but in this case one has to consider the mentality of the marine. More likely than not he probably enrolled with no expectations of going to war. But, expectations or not, he was sent to Iraq and forced to do what he was trained to do. That training was physical however, and not so much mental. He was placed in a land completely different than America; he knows only what the government has told him about Iraq, and therefore has no (personal) educated opinion; he is faced with extreme violence; and has likely lost friends to the cause.
Would your mentality not be in question if you were in his place? I sure as hell do not like what happened, and the thought that someone can do that with no apparent emotion involved repulses me. But there is a part of me that won't let me think too hard about what happened...because the impacts of war are too intense to internalize as a bystander, let alone someone experiencing it first person.
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Post by Arkham on Nov 17, 2004 15:14:33 GMT -5
well said.
i'm not really judging any individual. as bob says it, he's only a pawn in their game. there's something about our generation that has lost something human in the information age. i can understand how one may become numb to war and the sacredness of human life. it makes me sad thinking about those wounded men, who had been laying there helpless for over a day huddled up in a blanket in a mosque. reminds me of heart of darkness, or apocalypse now. i just hate how WE are numb because it's just the headline before the spot about jennifer anniston's new hair cut. everything is put on this even level with everything else. and anything that causes an actual reaction is commercialized in some way in which we can feel better about the war and all of these inhumanitarian actions by reading a book on the subject. like how some soldier came to Christ amidst the chaos in Iraq, or something stupid and introspective like that
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on Nov 17, 2004 15:36:20 GMT -5
Anyone else unable to watch the video?
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Post by Ruby Soho on Nov 17, 2004 18:29:58 GMT -5
i just hate how WE are numb because it's just the headline before the spot about jennifer anniston's new hair cut. everything is put on this even level with everything else. and anything that causes an actual reaction is commercialized in some way in which we can feel better about the war and all of these inhumanitarian actions by reading a book on the subject. like how some soldier came to Christ amidst the chaos in Iraq, or something stupid and introspective like that good point Brandon, I didn't think about why exactly it is that society has become so numb...well I did, but not in the respect you mentioned. I definitely agree. |
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Post by chad loin on Nov 18, 2004 18:17:01 GMT -5
I dunno with the way that marines have been being killed (for example suicide bombings, booby traps etc.) I'd be fucking scared of some guy faking his death too. I mean, I would never put myself in that position but if I was I'd be a little trigger happy considering how those insurgents operate with such little respect for their own lives.
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on Nov 18, 2004 21:12:11 GMT -5
Those are the bad guys.
The 'Coalition' is there to be the good guys. They can't operate under the 'eye for an eye' rule. If the dude had showed some threat, maybe, but who wouldn't play dead?
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Post by chad loin on Nov 19, 2004 12:07:04 GMT -5
It's a fucking stupidass war all around. Did you see the Nick Berg video? Stupid shit happening on both sides.
PS. I realize that this aggression is just breeding more terrorism. I just think that now that they are there they should watch their backs especially in situations like that.
and PPS. Couldn't they just surrender? Like White Flag it or whatever?
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Post by Meg on Nov 19, 2004 20:18:56 GMT -5
i'm not in favour of the marines action, but i figure this might help put it into perspective a little bit more. I mean, the guy was probably overreacting when he freaked out, but in the (recent) past, those same marines have been ambushed a bunch of times by Iraqis who were just playing dead, its one of their tactics... or at least, so the military guy said on the news..but the news is all lies anyways, so maybe he was just justifying the soldiers actions, like bush trys to justify this stupid war.
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