Kinky Vera

[TheDeadTexan]

www.myspace.com/kinkyvera

Anyone else get a case of the roofles at the latest post on xx.org?



Thank you, Caralee. ;D

[smithcorey]

double fistin' it.

[paulmceldowney]

haha caralees the best

[ihaveaflamegun]

+support for caralee.

shitty people have to make shitty justifications.

that photo is begging for a photoshop.

[thisshitisoranges]

mabye it will end up on a new picturedisc

[urgeintheicebox]

in defense of both caralee and this person, they are both entitled to say whatever it is they feel concerning whatever topic they deem fit for discussion. while i believe a majority of the citizenry would disagree with the views held by 'proud military wife', she is entitled to respond to 'support our troops oh!' with whatever thought she might have, so as long as she doesnt physically harm either jamie or caralee or ches.

perhaps what would be best is to say that the wife of this solider is merely defending what she believes, while caralee is defending what she believes. both believe that their cause is just, and both derive their believes from the same principles, which are the lockean principles of life, liberty and property. the issue then is whether or not both can assert their belief while holding true to these principles. caralee can, as she believes it is up to the individual to not only affirm their right to live and to the strenuous nature we as americans proclaim in our ethos of work, but as well defend the right of liberty, which insures and protects our individualistic attributes, guaranteed by the united states constitution.

the proud military wife holds similar values. she seeks means to protect her civil liberties byway of the united states government, from the problems which she believes have been brought about by what some term 'islamic fascists', who were believed to be in a liason with the ba'ath party which saddam hussien led. she would most certainly feel that it is the responsibility of our representatives to protect the individualist freedoms which caralee has extolled in her argument for self-determinism. however, she is misguided in her belief that her husband saves the lives of those who would have otherwised died. they wouldn't have died were it not for a misjudgment of choice. the people who die, the americans who die, die from the decision, the individual decision they made in fighting for a cause which some might say is incorrect in its assertions. the soliders choice was made whenever they took it upon themselves to enlist, for either love of a family, self (which i am not opposed to) or country.

in other words, the proud military wifes argument fails when we take into consideration the priniciples she believes her husband upholds. a socioeconomic argument draws its rationale from domestic policy. our policy, as stated prior, is that of a individualistic basis, one which is supposedly upheld today in our constitution. however, our government, throughout the past centuries, has laid is hands on not only the liberties which its citizenry has within itself, but also the soverignty of other nations. iraq is just one of many examples where foriegn policy has led to utter chaos. perhaps my point here is that both caralee and the proud military wife are in the right mind, but while caralee contributes the argument for a continuation of what we believe we fight for, the wife and her husband, while supposedly fighting for these same principles, fail to question just what it is that killing in the name of american political philosophy does for not only the respective foreign nation, but as well themselves.

i feel that ultimately that argument would lead to further reliance on the united states government for support and contradict the american philosophy, which american nationalism is said to proclaim in its assertions and goals.

there will be a quiz.

[dr. strangelove]

look at you, gettin' all smart 'n shit

[Croatia against the world]

hahaha, that on the xiuxiu.org is just great.

[dr. strangelove]

she set her profile to private :-(

[kitchencabinet]

This is an excerpt, from a September 2004 Hybrid Magazine Xiu Xiu interview, I think is relevant to this discussion....


HM: "Support Our Troops": on it, you say, "Why should I care if you get killed?" in reference to the troops. Do you really mean that? Is that a serious statement? Is that your personal stance, even towards people who might be good people, but have been misled into something unhealthy?

JS: See, I don't really…That's obviously a really difficult statement to justify, but obviously within the context of what people have chosen to do with their lives, it's a little bit difficult to think of it in other terms sometimes. Not all the time, but certainly sometimes. I don't think that people who have joined the military have been misled about what their job in the military is. The job of the military, clearly, is to kill people for imperialistic, corporate government. I feel entirely differently about people who were involved in the Vietnam era because there was the draft and people were forced to do it, but now it's totally voluntary, and people are choosing to become assassins and killers for the government. The song is based on an article where a journalist followed a Special Forces troop into Baghdad, and the troop just talked constantly about how much they wanted to kill people, and how they were hired killers, and they were really into it. And they were completely unapologetic about it and not thinking about the political context at all, or about the repercussions of what they were doing, both to themselves and to the families of the people that they were blowing up. Now, one thing that people have brought up to me that I didn't think about at the time that I was writing the song is: what about the people who are living in total destitution and they just don't have any other options? And, that's not something that I had thought about. Sometimes I think that can be a valid case, but on the other hand, how destitute do you have to be to become a murderer? I'm sure that's not people's motivation, but that's what the point of the military is, and the fact that that is a possibility for someone joining the military isn't a mystery. Bearing that in mind, I feel almost entirely unsympathetic for people who are middle class who decide to join the military. If you want to be of service to your country, join AmeriCorps, or something like that. I just cannot abide… It's inexplicable to me that someone would want to do that with their life. So, when I say, "Why should I care if you get killed?" I'm asking that question clearly. I'm not completely dismissing the idea of why somebody should care…

HM: You're asking them to justify themselves?

JS: Or asking somebody who's listening to think about why they should care. I sincerely, sincerely pray every single day that people involved in the war on terrorism don't kill anybody, and don't get killed, and get home safely so that they can move on and do something else with their life. It's not that I want anybody to die. But…it's a difficult, miserable, horrible situation. And question.


(link to the full interview )
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www.hybridmagazine.com/music/0904/xiuxiu.shtml