Why should I buy your cds anymore?

[kitchencabinet]

ihaveaflamegun said:

"I'd rather not get into an argument over Iraq. I'm just not buying Xiu Xiu albums anymore, because I don't want to support someone who takes such a tragic event and makes it political. I just wanted Jamie to know that, as I am sure he reads this board from time to time."

if you do not wish to talk with the board about iraq then email jamie at [e-mail] and stop talking about/around iraq. or bring up some points rather than complain about others.

"If they kept it to themselves, that's fine, but he's spreading his sickness into your minds as well, and obviously most here have taken the bait."

there are no thought crimes.
we should all be able to share our opinions.
go back to fox news.

well put

[sschaula]

the fact is, you knew that posting something like this would cause controversy among the board particularly due in part to most of the people here being diehard xiu xiu fans

What does that say about your ability to think for yourself?

so fuck you, youre just propelling hatred even more

That's very ironic.

[sschaula]

there are no thought crimes.
we should all be able to share our opinions.
go back to fox news.

If we should all be able to share our opinions, why should I go back to fox news?

[dr. strangelove]

first, let me disagree with you on a point... while many of the people killed in iraq have not been killed directly by an american troop, most of those deaths would have never happened if america hadn't gone in there and started this shit in the first place... so saying that the troops who are involved in this attack are not at least partially responsible is just as ignorant as assuming that all of those numbers were killed by american troops... jamie has decided to be vocally against not only bush, which is all the rage right now, but also to attack the military for being spineless assholes who use "i was following orders" as an excuse for heinous actions... whether you agree with him or not is your opinion/choice

but on your side, this is a message forum, and you are not only entitled to have a different opinion, but of course you can also say whatever you want... of course, if the flaming gets out of hand, then the thread will be locked, but at this point, sschaula, you are being the nice one, and i thank you for that

so don't go back to fox news... but maybe turn it down a little? ;-)

[sschaula]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply, Dr.

I know I'll get shit for this, but I am in the National Guard. While it kind of sucked to have my favorite artist talk shit about people like me, I could admit that in some cases it might have been true. If someone gets an order to kill an innocent person, and they do it, I don't respect them either. I think it's disgusting, too. Lumping all of us in the military into that box is wrong in my opinion, but I didn't mind it.

So I don't mind that people in my profession, and myself, are hated. I can let that slide. I can let it slide when you say that all of these deaths are an indirect response to the occupation of Iraq. That may be the case.

But when this tragedy happened the other day, then I saw what Jamie posted, I couldn't accept that. The two had nothing whatsoever to do with eachother. It was disgusting to me to see someone I admired downgrade the lives of all of the people who died at Virginia Tech just to make his political point.

I have no intention of changing minds here. Like others have said, we're just voicing our opinions. I am not here trying to get banned or whatever. It should be known that I agree with the Support our Troops song, for certain troops. It's just that in my opinion, this Virginia Tech comment crossed the line.

[Animals! So Weird]

sschaula said:

It was disgusting to me to see someone I admired downgrade the lives of all of the people who died at Virginia Tech just to make his political point.

My 2cents:

Thats a really big assumption. We don't know Jamie's feelings about VTU; we can only speculate.

You interpreted what Jamie said as being degrading, when in all actuality he never made a degrading statement whatsoever.

Maybe the problem here lies not with Jamie's, but with your perception of the world?

[sschaula]

I wasn't assuming anything about Jamie's feelings. I was reading what he wrote, and seeing that he's turning the situation into a political point unnecessarily. If you can't see that, I don't know...

[SINISTER FUNKHOUSE]

how can someone who went to xiuxiu.org take something that somebody wrote on there and bring it SO OUT OF CONTEXT.

YOU GUYS ARE MORONS.

SERIOUSLY.

GOD DAMMIT.

[Animals! So Weird]

1946 said:

how can someone who went to xiuxiu.org take something that somebody wrote on there and bring it SO OUT OF CONTEXT.

YOU GUYS ARE MORONS.

SERIOUSLY.

GOD DAMMIT.

hahahah. you're so cute miranda

[iamthemillmtnstar]

sschaula said:

I wasn't assuming anything about Jamie's feelings. I was reading what he wrote, and seeing that he's turning the situation into a political point unnecessarily. If you can't see that, I don't know...

The point of posting that was not to downplay the tragedy, but to show that worse tragedies happen in Iraq. It's ridiculous to argue that American troops haven't caused tragedies over there.

[bignothing]

sschaula said:

Posted on the front page of xiuxiu.org

You've gone too far for me, Jamie. I'll no longer buy anything that comes from you.

-Scott

Fine, more Xiu for us.

[sschaula]

The point of posting that was not to downplay the tragedy, but to show that worse tragedies happen in Iraq.

And you don't see how that is downplaying the tragedy?

What if your parents died, and I told you "well what's happening to the citizens in Iraq is worse..."? Or "people die everyday, why don't we think about them?" Would you say that I wasn't actually downplaying the death of your parents, but making a good point?

It's ridiculous to argue that American troops haven't caused tragedies over there.

Well, that's not what I was arguing. But know that it's equally as ridiculous to assume that American troops have been the cause of the majority of tragedies.

[kevin]

red-white-and-blue american militaristic ideology like yours has caused the majority of the tragedies.

[sschaula]

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it true. Suicide bombings have actually been the cause.

[sschaula]

Here, I just had a conversation with sithie:

muju808 (6:35:05 PM)
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ok, posting personal IM's is just tacky, especially when you don't ask the person if you can


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