Are Jamie and/or Carolee vegans? Are you? Why?

[SINISTER FUNKHOUSE]

ihaveaflamegun said:

smithcorey said:

That's hillarious. Matmos are two people, they've got a following in America (their 100 seat show at the whitney sold out and became a 500 person, very crowded show, and they have a song made out of a rat cage and have scored gay porn but not made a gay porn song from a rat cage, although your concept is funny.

i saw bjork with matmos in toronto about a year and a half or so ago. it was impressive seeing them recreate the sounds on vespertine live. add fireworks will oldham opening and you've got super duper show.

she came to toronto a year and a half ago? i thought her last show was with bonnie prince billy at olympic island?

with seeing my three favourite bands of all time a lot of times. being radiohead, the stones, and xiu xiu. that bjork show was the single greatest concert i've ever been to.

[ihaveaflamegun]

1946 said:

ihaveaflamegun said:

i saw bjork with matmos in toronto about a year and a half or so ago. it was impressive seeing them recreate the sounds on vespertine live. add fireworks will oldham opening and you've got super duper show.

she came to toronto a year and a half ago? i thought her last show was with bonnie prince billy at olympic island?

with seeing my three favourite bands of all time a lot of times. being radiohead, the stones, and xiu xiu. that bjork show was the single greatest concert i've ever been to.

bonnie prince billy <---same guy---> will oldham

i thought that was a year and a half ago. it was sept. something 2004? two years then? nope, just checked- 2003. that was a while ago.

surely one of the best shows ive seen also.

xiu xius first show in TO at the gladstone was the best show ive ever been to though. didn't owen open up that time? or was it the next xiu xiu show after lenin i shumov?

[jarretttree]

Anything Will Oldham does is incredible.
Bjork would have been insane to see.

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ihaveaflamegun said:

1946 said:

she came to toronto a year and a half ago? i thought her last show was with bonnie prince billy at olympic island?

with seeing my three favourite bands of all time a lot of times. being radiohead, the stones, and xiu xiu. that bjork show was the single greatest concert i've ever been to.

bonnie prince billy <---same guy---> will oldham

i thought that was a year and a half ago. it was sept. something 2004? two years then? nope, just checked- 2003. that was a while ago.

surely one of the best shows ive seen also.

xiu xius first show in TO at the gladstone was the best show ive ever been to though. didn't owen open up that time? or was it the next xiu xiu show after lenin i shumov?

that show was les mouches. great show.

[lysine]

les mocuhes live would be godsend now.

today, i met a mother with her 12 yearold vegan daughter (at the restaurant i work at)

[leatherface74]

A 12 year old vegan? That's a bit depressing. I mean, nothing against the vegan lifestyle but 12 years old is a bit young to make big lifestyle decisions like that. Unless the mom chose that for her or someone scared or guilted her into not eating meat. Either way, I don't know any 12 year olds that would just give up meat without some outside influence.

[h8love]

Personally, i find twelve year old meat eaters depressing. who would eat meat without some kind of outside influence?

but seriously, meat eating is as much of a lifestyle choice as being vegan. and it's far more destructive to the earth and living creatures. so why is that depressing?

[dr. strangelove]

i have no problem with a 12 year old vegetarian; i had a friend who was raised vegetarian and decided to eat meat when she was older, and she acclimated pretty quickly to it

but to be vegan when your body is still growing... that sounds kinda sketchy

[h8love]

why? dairy products aren't really very good for you, especially the ones that our huge industrial dairy industry supply us with. i think that the fda's propaganda has been really influential, and incredibly misleading.

and compare a vegan diet with the diets that many poor americans are forced (to a large degree) to rely on: highly processed fast food.

the main point, i think, is that everyone should be getting a balanced diet, which is possible for vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores.

[matea]

this just feels like spinning plates

[leatherface74]

h8love said:

Personally, i find twelve year old meat eaters depressing. who would eat meat without some kind of outside influence?

but seriously, meat eating is as much of a lifestyle choice as being vegan. and it's far more destructive to the earth and living creatures. so why is that depressing?

It's depressing because some people have taken it upon themselves to tell other people what to do. A 12 year old kid does not have ability to understand and make major lifestyle choices like these which means either her parents or someone pushed this upon them. I have no problem with someone older making the choice (as to what age, I don't know, but it sure is not 12).

You want to be a vegan? More power to you, but do it for your health or because you don't like meat. Being a vegan does not make you a hero. Be a vegan, but don't preach and act like you are saving all the cute animals because all that meat you don't eat gets thrown out. It is not possible to turn the entire planet into vegans, some places just simply can't produce enough crops.

I have absolutely nothing against the vegan lifestyle, what I do find irritating is that people like to have control over what others do. Be glad we have the choice to eat what we want rather than having to choose between dirt and rocks for dinner.

An interesting I've noticed though is that most vegans tend to be from upper-middle or upper class. Debate the merits of that observation all you want, but you know it's true. The vegan lifestyle is a pricey one. I love animals and all, but there are better causes in the world to focus on (AIDS, poverty, etc.).

[h8love]

sorry if my comment came off flip. i don't really know why this topic seems to make people uncomfortable.

it just seems wierd to me to assume that twelve year olds should automatically eat meat. if a twelve year old grows up around vegans, isn't it plausible that they would want to try that out? there's no need to assume that vegans are control freaks or domineering.

i also don't know why i'm giving the impression i'm trying to be a hero. sorry if i am. but i also don't necessarily agree with people who say that veganism is their life style but that they don't want to convert anyone else to it.

i do want to convince people to be vegan (hopefully in a non-annoying way,) because i see it as a very important choice in its impact not just on animals, but on the whole planet.

it is interesting that most vegans are middle/upper class. i think that has a lot to do with the choices that corporate food providers offer us. michael pollan (who is not a vegetarian, btw) is doing some very interesting writing on this right now, as eric schlosser has also done (fast food nation.)

[leatherface74]

Isnt it also more likely that 12 year olds would want to eat what other 12 year olds eat? The fact is, I don't mind if the 12 year old is a vegan under their own choice. It's a foolish choice if the proper diet isnt maintained.

What is annoying and almost negligent is that there are alot of people who force this lifestyle upon their children. I really don't mind Veganism. Anyone who has that much self control is amazing in my eyes. What I do mind is that this has become a sometimes misguided cause. Showing people some pamphlets speaking of the benefits of Veganism is good, but some of the tactics used are just outright disgusting. Using slaughterhouse videos to guilt or disgust people is just plain horrible. People know what they're eating. "HOLY SHIT! THIS HOTDOG IS MADE OF ANIMALS I SO TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW!!!" People know, they just don't want to see rubbed in their faces.

By the way, I'd like to know what is FDA propaganda in your eyes? Because I've seen alot of PETA propaganda, just not FDA.

Oh yea and www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/08/child.starved/index.html

[h8love]

first of all, i meant the usda, not the fda. that's my bad. the us government gives huge subsidies to dairy farmers and creates a dietary pyramid that tells us to drink more milk (despite the fact that many people of color cannot properly digest dairy because they don't have the genetic mutation that us of european descent do which allows us to digest cow milk--guess that dietary pyramid isn't for everyone...). moreover, the claims the usda makes about how healthy milk is are widely contested. nearly half of the antibiotics that are used go into the feed of animals--a bad idea because antibiotics lose effectiveness the more they are used as pathogens develop resistance to them.

i'm not sure why you posted that article, because the people in it eat a raw food diet (i.e. literally no cooked food.) most vegans eat cooked food and many take dietary supplements. all the vegans i've met have the good sense to maintain a diet that keeps them healthy, and i can't think of anybody who wouldn't have taken a sick child to the doctor. you could find a crazy news story to indict any lifestyle, but it wouldn't really show anything.

short of this article, are you sure there are a lot of people "forcing" this lifestyle on their children? i haven't seen a lot of that personally. and is that worse than raising some one in any lifestyle, like a religion for example? personally though, i wouldn't force a lifestyle choice on a child, but there is something to be said for conserving tradition or lifestyle, whether religious, cultural, or dietary (or all at the same time.)

i don't think most people really know what they are eating. i didn't really know how meat was produced before i got interested in vegetarianism. has anyone ever forced you to watch a peta video? i'm not even sure how one would do that, short of clockwork orange-like eye clamps.

[lysine]

despot said:

this just feels like spinning plates