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Post by joannak42 on Jul 20, 2005 18:54:20 GMT -5
I know this may be way in left-field, but the more I think of it, the more I feel that "ale" is a song that Jamie wrote to himself in some sort of self-loathing manner. Any thoughts?
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Post by Moustache on Jul 20, 2005 19:59:54 GMT -5
I feel the exact same way about Yellow Raspberry
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Post by urgeintheicebox on Jul 20, 2005 22:33:24 GMT -5
ive always thought of 'ale' as being a third person song, for some reason it feels like its more directed towards another, something that has been nagging at the character singing, but i mean, its quite possible its directed at himself
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Post by dr. strangelove on Jul 20, 2005 23:33:29 GMT -5
i always thought of both yellow raspberry and ale as being directed at another, but now that i think about it, that would make this album full of attacks at others (with pox included as well)... and i don't think any of xiu's albums have ever been this negative towards others... sure, there are examples (support our troops & jennifer lopez come to mind), but usually there is a great deal more introspection than outward focus...
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Post by urgeintheicebox on Aug 23, 2005 15:52:42 GMT -5
i never thought of 'jennifer lopez' as an attack, but more of like, just telling someone 'hey, you dont have to be stuck in this rut forever and ever, do something about it', i guess i looked at it in a more positive way possibly
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Post by dr. strangelove on Aug 23, 2005 16:17:42 GMT -5
but don't you think there's a condescending tone in jennifer lopez? yeah, maybe it's not as violent an attack as "pox", but i wouldn't say it's a merely suggestive discussion of a rut someone is in, but more of a nasty portrayal of a rather pathetic situation
but i think i first thought of it as it's in the second person
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Post by byronhulcher on Aug 23, 2005 20:40:21 GMT -5
I think that the J.Lo was used as a titlle, but the actual song wasn't directed at her specifically.
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Post by beryann on Aug 23, 2005 20:46:16 GMT -5
I think that the J.Lo was used as a titlle, but the actual song wasn't directed at her specifically. nice conclusion. |
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Post by kevin on Aug 23, 2005 22:59:36 GMT -5
i dont know about ale, but yellow raspberry seems very direct towards a single individual, or just the gay teen male in general. i am in that category myself and the lyrics are so damn true. beating off nonstop to the escort pages what has changed as you tell your cross hello  |
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Post by or eech soy burl on Aug 23, 2005 23:56:15 GMT -5
well, this thread was quite the downer. maybe it's a bit 'out there,' but i had a sense that jamie wrote the song with me in mind. is that arrogant? i can't argue for or against, not onjectively--but i sensed it, deeply, with a faint jingling of psychic magic. it was my first and, until tonight, sole reaction/interpretation--but a little bit of knowledge and/or reflection from other fans is putting the kibosh on all that. i'm seeing these other takes on it, none suggesting I as the inspiration--and i wonder now, was i wrong?
tho, on the upside, if it's not about me, i can stop worrying about my gigantic fat body and where it will or will not fit. it also solves the mystery of the gamecube buttons, which i don't have. but at the same time, it crushes my quiet hope that jamie wrote that lyric ro foreshadow his buying me a gamecube for my birthday.
all in all, eden is on fire. so it goes.
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