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Post by stopstareing on Nov 24, 2003 14:13:14 GMT -5
ok seriously, what is so great about joy division? maybe i started off totaly wrong,or gave them to high expectations. i love the song "love will tear us apart" and "transmission" maybe a few others. butttt after i heard unkown pleasures i gave the cd to my friend,it was crap. and the comparison to xiu xiu is rediculous,xiu xiux are actually good. unlike joydivision. but i am willing to give them a few fair chances. i heard closer is good. ehh who cares realy.
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Post by Thats rediculous on Nov 24, 2003 16:10:14 GMT -5
Have you ever heard any of their live material....It's insane. Ian Curtis is hands down one of the best lyicists of our generation(well my generation) Infact, as I'm sure others will tell you without joydivision, the cure, the smiths........there would be no xiu xiu, bright eyes, mineral......and all the other good bands who make the music we all love.
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Post by dave thompson on Nov 24, 2003 19:05:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Joy Division were pretty fantastic. New Order is still trying to ruin JD for anyone who may have liked them at one point, though, still covering songs even though they're all well past mid-age and can't really match their younger selves.
Seriously, though, "Disorder" (the opener to Unknown Pleasures) is outrageous. If you can't get excited about that song...
But now that you mention it, I'd sacrifice the Cure if it meant there would never be any Bright Eyes...
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Post by hipperthanu on Nov 25, 2003 17:43:59 GMT -5
whatever happened to just liking music?
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Post by the genius of seth on Nov 25, 2003 18:18:31 GMT -5
joy division rocks hardcore
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Post by dr. strangelove on Nov 25, 2003 18:20:36 GMT -5
as a long time joy division fan, i personally find it strange that someone could NOT instantly fall in love with their music. but then again, those of us who are fans of them were probably exposed a long time ago. for their time, joy division's music was groundbreaking, and ian curtis's lyrics spoke to many. perhaps his suicide was also influential in his "saint-hood" in punk history, although i'm not completely convinced of that. while i think his suicide is crucial to understanding the bands history as well as an underpinning in most of his lyrics, i think the music itself just absolutely baffled many of us by being so honest. ian himself hated the produced stuff, so "thats rediculous" may have a point about turning to the live material. but i'm not sure if joy division would have effected me the same way if i had heard them now, with shoegaze bands making the dissonance in joy division seem minimal, and a certain group of well dressed new york hipsters performing music being played on the radio that is so shockingly similar to joy division that when their first single was played on the air, i actually thought it must be some obscure joy division track that someone found under a floorboard in a sound studio or something. i think that while the current music climate is probably more influenced by joy division than ever, those who weren't exposed to it early are less likely to be as amazed. kind of like the velvet underground in relation to the nineties shoegaze stuff.
as to their relation to xiu xiu, i find the two bands to be very similar. ian curtis made some of the most honest music i've ever heard, and willingness to face personal anguish so blatantly (outside of bad gothic poetry) is pretty rare
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Post by stopstareing1 on Nov 26, 2003 0:31:25 GMT -5
well im not so sure it has much to do with my era. i was born in 81 and have been exposed to many different styles,gnres and eras of music. reguardless,my favorite band of all time is "the smiths". i didnt even discover the smiths until i was 16 and already was exposed to the almighty mtv generation that i disbanned shortly. i know,i am doing alot of rambling but what i dont understand is why i dont like them and why people find them so amazing? because i love "depressing" music. i love the cure and bands akin to joydivision but i find JD boring;extreamly so. when i heard unknown pleasure it sounded like a recording in someones bathroom,which is fine. BUT he lacks the quality music i was looking for. i dont know,maybe i started off totaly wrong,i heard the popular songs first and was disapointed with their other material. im thinking about downloading "closer" because i realy want to like them,maybe more than i should. if it makes any difference i think New order where amazing,much much better than JD. but i would love for someone to prove me wrong and introduce me to some of their good music. sooo,if someone could make me a list of their best songs and their best albums *first to last order* i would be very apprecaitive.
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Post by hipperthanu on Nov 26, 2003 8:49:18 GMT -5
i've never been really able to get into joy division recordings, because i think most of them were recorded poorly, but i can tell from their songwriting and the fact that i've never disliked a cover someone else does of their songs that i would have liked them live.
basically i've filed them under "someday you'll think this is amazing"
i have a bunch of bands like that, but of course i also wish jamie would just cover the entire joy division catalogue a la- ceremony. his version is, naturally, astoundingly good.
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Post by Travis on Dec 3, 2003 0:27:20 GMT -5
new order is so good. i like new order a little better than joy division. some joy division is just too repetitive(however so is new order) and its not quite as melodic over all as new order. maybe that makes me lame for liking new order over joy division but so be it. i knwo what i like and i treat my self right.
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Post by Noel on Dec 5, 2003 7:24:50 GMT -5
I cant believe people are actually dismissing the recordings of Joy Division. That was part of the genius of it, it added to the honesty and darkness of the music because it was sparse and eerie. For the person who started this topic, even though you might not like the music (i dunno why), you should just realise how brilliant Joy Division were just for their influence on modern music.  |
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Post by is it it on Dec 8, 2003 8:52:26 GMT -5
I don't like Joy Division all that much, either. I recognize the importance of the band and it is deserved. I also think Ian Curtis was an absolutely amazing wordsmith. His lyrics are powerful and often brilliant. But, that doesn't mean I have to worship them, I simply respect them.
Couple of months ago, I went out and purchased Unkown Pleasures, Closer, and Substance after years of thinking that "I should have these albums, just because I should." I don't know why I even had that thought to begin with- could it be that "everyone I knew" since junior high listened to Joy Division?
Anyway, after repeated listens, I can say that I do like all of the albums as they are. At first, I was generally let down, with exception of the dozen songs that I loved beforehand. I think that my initial disappointment was a result of buliding expectations that were drawn from all of the "roots and influences" type of comments that other bands have received. While I have long learned to draw my own conclusions, it's hard to not anticpate what you think an album will sound like as a result.
Regardless, I always take a recommendation seriously. I think repeated listens are always a must, even if they are spread over time. An album, or song even, will reveal itself without you realsizing it. Some of my absolute favorite songs of Joy Division are ones that I didn't hear before buying the albums, and didn't even care for at first listen.
And about New Order, Movement is floating around my office. Doubts Even Here is the best! A unique album to both New Order and Joy Division. Anyone else have an opinion?
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Post by is it it on Dec 8, 2003 9:12:05 GMT -5
Actually, I don't always take recommendations seriously.
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