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Post by sinclair on Feb 22, 2006 14:23:39 GMT -5
I have a black eye at work now. I was completely sober, vinyl in hand, and was roundhouse punched in the eye/nose by some topspinning geek in the pit. I would have hit him back, but I lost vision for a few seconds. My question I guess is: Can one feel when their knuckles collide with the bones in my face? This guy knew that he punched someone in the face, . . there's no question. And that is perfectly okay? believe me, i like to get rough with the rest of em'. but when i'm not even in the pit, and a guy steps 5 feet away from the cluster to punch me in the face, seems either intentional or very unlucky for me at least. is this a sick interest held by moshers: the desire to send the unprotected home with black eyes and embarrassment? or do they just want to rub their junk up against eachother and then go hit girls for fun?
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Post by justinks on Feb 23, 2006 15:45:16 GMT -5
moshpits arent for kicking the crap out of people, they're for expressing aggression in a safe, respectful but still physical way. if you want to get beat up to loud music, go see ICP or some other shitty jock numetal band.
this is one thing i noticed at the last show i went to, some idiot emo kid(who, immediately after this happened grabbed the mic from the singer and yelled "YEAH,! PUNK ROCK!") was just running around punching and kicking people. i punched him in the head a few times, and told him to fuck off, but he's just gonna keep doing it until he get sshitkicked, and honestly, i dont htink that'd be cool either.
i think it'd be cool if there were a way to introduce kids to the finer points of moshing. a zine? a leaflet? hell, a large poster would be good, even.
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Post by Andy McBeer on Feb 24, 2006 13:08:20 GMT -5
While what you're saying is perfectly understandable as far as moshing goes, very few people would react well to a set of "guide-lines" to how to mosh. Moshing is the very embodiment of losing control and giving in to chaos for a small moment.
Now, mosh pits can piss me off just as much as any of you. The things that piss me off are the guys that see a moshpit for the first time and feel like they have to show everyone that they're the best and start tackling and punching and acting like an idiot as if it were some kind of contest. Then there's the kids (who I usually find in nanaimo) who like to grab your clothes and pull hard on you, ripping and tearing whatever you've got on, then ramming their elbows and knees into you, trying to cause as much pain as possible.
Those are the people I hate in the pit, but I still accept that I will probably run into people like that in a moshpit. If we knew a moshpit was perfectly safe, what would be the point of doing it in the first place? If I come out of a moshpit unbruised, then I probably wasn't moshing very hard at all.
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Post by Arkham on Feb 24, 2006 14:02:56 GMT -5
moshpits are gay. buy a happy faced shaped stress ball and stop the violence
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Post by neilsucks on Feb 24, 2006 17:12:09 GMT -5
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Post by Andy McBeer on Feb 24, 2006 20:01:39 GMT -5
moshpits are gay. buy a happy faced shaped stress ball and stop the violence How very narrow-minded of you.
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Post by emmanuelxgoldstein on Feb 28, 2006 3:54:40 GMT -5
This debate has been done many, many, times.
For the most part, in any decent scene, you're not going to change the minds of the guys who are going to intentionally mosh the crowd and the throw hammer punches into the sides, because they're usually the ones that intimidate everyone, and would be willing to flex their most machismo attributes. Anyone who's decent will respect your space, as long as you respect their right to have a good time and move around.
As for the assholes, fortunately, you don't have to go to their shitty shows.
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Post by steve m on Mar 21, 2006 23:26:54 GMT -5
yeah! thats right!
go ahead and try and fuck with goldstein!
langley represent!!
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Post by cabal on Jul 11, 2006 7:41:27 GMT -5
Anything goes.
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Post by benbest on Jan 10, 2007 23:25:22 GMT -5
Be As for the assholes, fortunately, you don't have to go to their shitty shows. amen
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Post by meghan on Mar 27, 2007 1:35:38 GMT -5
I just saw DOA, the sweathogz, and moneyshot at Lucky bar, and DOA had left little leaflets on all the tables that basically said the same thing as Justin posted earlier. It was an awesome mosh, I left with many bruises, and only one hit to the head... but I definitely think some people need to learn some rules. I really wish now that I had saved one of those little pieces of paper. It was basically like "a mosh pit is a place to express your love of the music and have a good time, and it should be for everyone. just cause you're big doesn't mean you have to hit harder, and just cause you're small doesn't mean you should be stuck near the back of the crowd. " (i'm paraphrasing in my own words in a big way here)
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Post by Andy McBeer on Apr 23, 2007 16:43:02 GMT -5
First of all, yes, if you are big, you WILL hit harder. I'm a big guy. I don't intentionally hit people as hard as I can, but in a whirling melee where you hardly know which way is up, any hit from a 200 pound man frothing in the frenzy of chaos and disarray WILL send you staggering at the very least. I'm not going to tippy-toe around a mosh pit just because I'm big.
But, also, at the same token, I make sure to keep my arms at my sides unless I need to push someone away from myself, and my hands are never in fists and I never ram my elbows into people's ribs, etc. That shit is done intentionally to hurt people as opposed to just knocking them around a bit.
However, I do understand that smaller people (little guys, most girls) tend to use those methods because, hey, they've got nothing else when they're being towered over by fat, sweaty, drunken behemoths who probably don't even notice they're there. I've accepted that and have come to peace that the little ones have to use their own methods to keep from getting creamed in the moshpit.
What DOES piss me off, however, is "hardcore" dancers.
There is nothing hardcore about sucker punching/kicking people in a moshpit, and there is nothing hardcore about breaking up a moshpit because you're some idiot swinging his fists and feet around in wild directions. It's not cool, AT ALL, and for the most port, most HARDCORE BANDS DO NOT SUPPORT IT.
You look like a bunch of idiots, and chances are your only friends are the idiots who do it alongside you (which, I've noticed, you stay far away from your fellow idiots because woe be you if you should ever mess up that pretty face of yours!)
Next time you're wondering why you're getting rushed by every punk in a moshpit, consider your actions-- are you ruining the fun for everyone else by carrot picking and trying to look like chuck norris? Well, maybe you're being a retard and no one likes you. Fuck off or try to find a way to have fun along with everyone else. No one ever invites the hardcore dancers... they just show up anyway. Or, at the very least, find some other place off the in the corner to do it. No one is impressed by the moves you practice in the mirror after school every day!
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Post by cheshire on Jun 6, 2007 0:15:59 GMT -5
I think fists have no place in the pit, but that is ply because in every one i've seen, there isn't much room to aim correctly.
Only rules I'd make are no intentional face hitting, and no fists. Elbows are just fine.
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