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Post by jules on Jul 21, 2009 6:37:58 GMT -5
Click to read: EDGE Chicago - Wednesday Jul 15, 2009I'm not really in favour of human creation being a job for 3 water-dwelling feathered serpents ...and as to a nation being a baked dish that is based on a custard made from eggs and milk or cream in a pastry crust, well that's just absurd....Oh Quiché.. I thought you meant Quiche 
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Post by jules on Jul 21, 2009 6:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by jules on Sept 11, 2009 15:36:43 GMT -5
So, because I like the Beatles I buy the NME this week because it has a big album by album review. As I'm reading the one about Revolver (possibly the finest record ever made, even allowing for the Yellow Lump of Cheese) and find this comparison between Eleanor Rigby and This Lamb Sell Condos.
To Quote (about Eleanor Rigby)
It's terrifying that so few people have managed to so eloquently paint depressive portraits of those kids life life behind, considering that those poor souls are supposed to be indie base. Morrisey is too self-obsessed, perhaps Blur's "He Thought of Cars came close and Final Fantasy's This Lamb Sell Condos' shares a similar DNA, especially the beautifully arranged string sections.
...see there is life after the Beatles..it all in the Heartland
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 11:56:49 GMT -5
Either I am going dyslexic or that post made absolutely no sense.
Jules? Are you with us Jules?
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Post by Scarychips on Sept 12, 2009 13:11:27 GMT -5
It made sense if you take it as a whole.
It's okay Jules to write fast because of the excitement and to make mistakes because of that. We still love you, dude.
Back on topic, I can see the comparison. And it's great. That's all there is to say. Thanks for the heads-up Jules.
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Post by jules on Sept 12, 2009 15:17:34 GMT -5
It made sense if you take it as a whole. It's okay Jules to write fast because of the excitement and to make mistakes because of that. We still love you, dude. Back on topic, I can see the comparison. And it's great. That's all there is to say. Thanks for the heads-up Jules. Sorry..I wasn't excited, I was being nagged. I am rubbish at typing, spelling and grammar as well. |
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Post by jules on Jan 29, 2010 3:01:51 GMT -5
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Post by jules on Aug 5, 2012 6:57:44 GMT -5
start plug I was reading an artcle about Van Dyke Parks and saw a quote from Mr Pallett who is described as "A Parks for the Arcade Fire generation". Praise indeed. This reminded my of the mixtape that Owen back in March of VDP and thought I'd give it a plug www.wqxr.org/#!/programs/maverickmixtapes/2012/mar/28/ Also Bella Union has just re-released the first 3 VDP albums (Song Cycle, Discover America and Clang of the Yankee Reaper)... Song Cycle has long been one of my favorite albums plug over |
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Post by gammonize on Aug 14, 2012 11:16:54 GMT -5
Neat! I absolutely love VDP (is that what everyone calls him?). Last year I found some of his music so hard to track down I ended up giving up... But I listened to Song Cycle, Discover America and Tokyo Rose a whole lot. But, there's so much stuff I haven't heard, not to mention the Little Toaster OST.
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Post by Alpentine on Sept 27, 2012 23:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by Owen from Final Fantasy on Sept 28, 2012 16:09:48 GMT -5
Amanda's fans are pretty overzealous. She has auctioned off "chewed-on postcards" and emptied bottles of wine from her rider for ~$20 for the former and ~$350 for the latter.
FWIW I'm "anti" any cult of personality stuff, insofar as my own practice is concerned, mainly inspired by Jamie Stewart's tendency to eschew that stuff, treat fans as equals.
While I'm saddened that there are musicians out there who ride that train, I can't really fault them too much. I support any money-making practice that Amanda takes on.
In fact, I got ~most~ saddened, in that debate, that it became a "holy shit no musician deserves to make that much" kind of debate. Which in turn carried over to the "Leslie Feist don't deserve $30K!" debate that came up post-Polaris.
When you add up, say, Leslie's entire projected income from age 20 to age 65, she'll make about as much as an elementary school teacher. But the world hates on teachers, too, so what can you do?
I mean, I see what real estate agents make for doing the work they do and it's like WHOA that is tonnes of cheddar but I'd never resent them for it (yes I do sometimes)
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Post by Alyssa! on Sept 28, 2012 16:53:25 GMT -5
Crafting a persona is an art form in itself, a kind of social-media person-centered "happening." My friend and bandleader Greg commented, "she maybe did not pioneer this sort of tactic, but she definitely is the “person who did it on TV first." " She's been doing all kinds of work like this since she got started around Boston, but now it's the scale (and the payoff) that's changed. Nothing's new.
As per the content of that art: she does a fantastic job of making a now-enormous fandom feel like the hundreds of teenagers who got into living statuing, or and stayed up late with her and Brian after shows. Two years ago or so, she finished a gig with the Boston Pops, walked outside, hung out with a busker, and decided to produce and fund his album. She came back to her high school and worked on a devised theater piece (in which, in style, she starred) with the students based on In the Aeroplane Over the Sea. And weird things keep happening, particularly around Boston (where I'm from).
Her persona/personality is an opus which has run along side her musical work, which is huge and hard-won (if that's important). I've kept my distance from her, mainly because I think persona-crafting is a static and boring art medium, and there's no established "metric" or "canon" by which to hold folks accountable for their work. But she's certainly working hard.
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Post by sarpedon on Sept 28, 2012 17:55:59 GMT -5
Amanda's fans are pretty overzealous. She has auctioned off "chewed-on postcards" and emptied bottles of wine from her rider for ~$20 for the former and ~$350 for the latter. FWIW I'm "anti" any cult of personality stuff, insofar as my own practice is concerned, mainly inspired by Jamie Stewart's tendency to eschew that stuff, treat fans as equals. While I'm saddened that there are musicians out there who ride that train, I can't really fault them too much. I support any money-making practice that Amanda takes on. In fact, I got ~most~ saddened, in that debate, that it became a "holy shit no musician deserves to make that much" kind of debate. Which in turn carried over to the "Leslie Feist don't deserve $30K!" debate that came up post-Polaris. When you add up, say, Leslie's entire projected income from age 20 to age 65, she'll make about as much as an elementary school teacher. But the world hates on teachers, too, so what can you do? I mean, I see what real estate agents make for doing the work they do and it's like WHOA that is tonnes of cheddar but I'd never resent them for it (yes I do sometimes) I very much appreciate this; although I have never been to a show and met you (I live in southern virginia, and am in too poor health to make it to washington dc too often), I met Jamie Stewart when Xiu came to Relative Theory (now defunct) near me, and considering the jarring, emotional nature of his music, he came off as VERY friendly and down-to-earth. |
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Post by Owen from Final Fantasy on Sept 28, 2012 20:19:39 GMT -5
@ Alyssa
Her *actual music*, there is no place in my life for it, which is not a dis at her or anything, just a respectful acknowledgement of unassociated interests. But her *actual music* (incl. her parties and production work) ought not to be part of the discussion-- nor anybody's.
This is when I see red, is when people start to get aggro or "haha" about critically-less-loved Canadian bands like Metric or The Trews or Celine Dion or whoever, using them as icons of "WTF is wrong with music listeners and our government for putting money into this??!" It's an extension of the same language that right-wing papers use when they get all "ooooh the 'intellectual elite'" and so forth. It's dark and stupid and bad. If you don't like a band and you're annoyed they have achieved funding that your own band is perfectly able to also go in for, that's totally fine, but you can't expect anybody to be convinced by an argument that requires a correlation in one's musical taste.
Same w/Amanda Palmer. Even if her music was The Total Worst In My World (or The Total Best) it wouldn't make a difference to me, at all at all.
The only issue that I took with her was:
a) she said she was seeking volunteers in each city to play as hers and her opener's backing band.
b) she said that she was seeking volunteers because she claimed she hadn't enough money to afford to hire musicians.
c) a cursory examination of her Kickstarter breakdown suggests that her finances were very loosey-goosey. If I were being totally charitable, I would estimate that she was poor with her money and was overspending by 400%. If I were being uncharitable, I might suspect that she is lying about her finances, affecting a "poor me" stance regarding her living situation, re-enforcing the American Culture War that is destructive and sad, taking as much money as is possible from her fans, deliberately using abusive and isolationist language to further entice her fans into her 'world'.
Today and next week I am feeling very charitable indeed toward this woman. And despite the misgivings I've confessed to above, I do not actually believe any of it. I may have done so last week after a bad meal. I'm just doing my best to not think about her at all any more.
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Post by exitsign on Sept 29, 2012 2:45:21 GMT -5
In fact, I got ~most~ saddened, in that debate, that it became a "holy shit no musician deserves to make that much" kind of debate. Which in turn carried over to the "Leslie Feist don't deserve $30K!" debate that came up post-Polaris. When you add up, say, Leslie's entire projected income from age 20 to age 65, she'll make about as much as an elementary school teacher. But the world hates on teachers, too, so what can you do? I mean, I see what real estate agents make for doing the work they do and it's like WHOA that is tonnes of cheddar but I'd never resent them for it (yes I do sometimes) It was so disheartening to hear the reactions that were solely based on the monetary prize. (Should Drake have won, things would have gotten really ugly, huh.) It makes me a bit sad that people who make great things aren't expected to be applauded for their great things if they've made great things that were successful in the past. (As an aside that totally detracts from conversation, saw Owen at the same show tonight. Didn't get a chance to say hey, but did embody  for a moment, apologies. One of these days! Wa, wa.) |
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for a moment, apologies. One of these days! Wa, wa.)