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Post by manus21 on Feb 18, 2009 7:05:49 GMT -5
Well, it's certainly an unusual combination... Personally, I liked Mika's debut..it was a funny and charming album and featured some really good songs...it was a great summer-feel-good-cd, but I overplayed it a bit... Anyway, the clip with Owen sounds great! I'm sure it will sound great on the cd and I'll give it a listen - not just because Owen took part  |
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Post by sarpedon on Feb 18, 2009 7:54:39 GMT -5
Music is like cooking, you have ingredients and must be conscious of texture, taste, timing, etc. Is there good and bad cooking? Yes. Is personal taste what determines good or bad cooking? No. Bad cooking is a disregard or abuse of ingredients, timing, texture, additional flavors, and overall presentation. Is it understandable for people to like Bad cooking and maybe even dislike good cooking? Yes. Is there such a thing as Bad cooking that turned out good? Or good cooking that turned out bad? Yes. So in closing Animal Collective make a textbook independent music scene chili but its really not to my taste. Oh and Owen makes great pies but his cakes have too much icing. But in defense of food, it's all too do with what your used to...I mean the thought of eating snails too me is..yuk..but to some it's a delicacy. Cheesy Peas..I mean who would have thought...yes So its all about your pallett in the end  snails taste fantastic. I agree with totally with your AC observation; with each album they made it was a bit harder to listen to. |
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Post by ragamuffin on Feb 18, 2009 18:59:19 GMT -5
Since music is the most subjective thing in the world, it can't be "good" or "bad", seen from an objective point of view. Personally, when I'd rather listen to nothing than [insert music], I label it as bad, and that's of course just a subjective opinion.
When it comes to music reviews, I believe people tend to take it way too seriously, since that's just a subjective opinion as well. I find it practical for recommendations, but I like better to get recommendations from friends, etc. I've noticed I barely pay attention to it now that I'm starting to get "orientated" within music though. I was very supportive of Pitchfork when I started to get an extensive interest for music, and I started believing that stuff I listened to that was considered "bad", was actually bad.
One thing that really affects if I like an music or not, is if the person making it is a douche. I know it has nothing to do with the music, but still. The Clash's political engagement makes up a large factor of my love for them.
I've barely listened to Mika also. But I really like Grace Kelly. I anyway wouldn't mind if you (Owen) would do arrangements for Hannah Montana, because I like your attitude towards music, and subjectivity in music. As long as you don't start to make that kind of music yourself... :B (though it would probably be... amusing)
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Post by sarpedon on Feb 19, 2009 10:04:00 GMT -5
I love your attitude towards music as well; its really a big part of why you're probably my favorite artist right now. I used to have a lot of others, but they all started taking themselves so seriously, it makes it harder to enjoy them... patrick wolf.  |
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Post by Scarychips on Feb 19, 2009 16:44:00 GMT -5
Same for me. I love the fact that you mostly talk about music in a positive. Kudos to you Owen
I always thought that the Patrick Wolf who's taking himself seriously was just a character. I just want to hear how his new "political" album sounds like. The Magic Position was one of my favourites of 2007.
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Post by sarpedon on Feb 20, 2009 10:01:01 GMT -5
Same for me. I love the fact that you mostly talk about music in a positive. Kudos to you Owen I always thought that the Patrick Wolf who's taking himself seriously was just a character. I just want to hear how his new "political" album sounds like. The Magic Position was one of my favourites of 2007. the political album sounds great from the preview, at least musically. but for how good at music he is, he's also quite dumb and hypocritical. Mr "Let's have a guitar bashing party(sic)" is now playing electric guitar (quite terribly too, last I heard it) at concerts. I've always loved his music, but he's just too self-righteous; always has been. |
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Post by cal on Feb 20, 2009 10:36:46 GMT -5
Considering the worldwide appeal of such incredibly different types of music, I don't think it is possible for anyone to say that there is such a thing as good or bad music. You can say "I don't like it", but beyond that, who can say outright that something is universally "bad"?
Example - I can imagine there are a lot of people who would consider Katy Perry "bad" - I went to her show last year and there was a room full of people having the time of their lives. Who knows who these people are; Commerce students? Classical Pianists? Accountants? Can anyone say that they are more of an authority on the enjoyment of music than anyone else?
There are so many artists who I would really realllllly rather not listen to, but I cannot say that they are bad because I know nothing. It's actually sad for me, because there are plenty of people who get lots of enjoyment out of certain music that I can't and I am jealous - I wish I could.
It's human nature to like and dislike things, which is really where the words "good" and "bad" stem from, but one cannot put a universal positive or negative on something - no matter how hard NME and Pitchfork try - there will always be someone getting some joy out of the music. I figure if at least one person (including the artist) gets something out of a piece of music, then how can we call it bad?
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Post by rgsc on Feb 23, 2009 10:54:04 GMT -5
I give this thread a 4.5/5 on my arbitrary and meaningless scale of forum thread awesomness. It did bring me back to a period of deep involvement with PoMo theory which had me doubting the very nature of reality - there is no truth! we can not exist outside of subjectivity! Reality is a construct! etc etc. While there is a great deal of insight to a great deal of this - especially on objectivity/subjectivity - a lot of it makes my head hurt now.
On Mika - I think watching the video may have been the first time I've ever heard of him. I must say that I really did enjoy how much he enjoyed the process. There seemed to be genuine joy in the constructing, mixing, and layering of elements. The little chair dance groove he had going on is awesome. Whether or not I will like his music I appreciate his approach to it.
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Post by manus21 on Sept 18, 2009 7:15:25 GMT -5
So, Mika's album was released today...and the collab with Owen is on it (3rd song - RAIN). It's not bad...I don't like the production of it too much, but that's probably because I expected to hear owen's violin better |
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Post by An Amateur on Sept 18, 2009 11:32:15 GMT -5
So, I've never heard this Mika fellow, but I love how his music has ignited this torrid philosophical debate about subjectivity. Thanks Mika!
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Post by Richie on Sept 22, 2009 1:48:11 GMT -5
Ah, So It turns out I in a funny way have really been enjoying this album!
I'll watch what I say-but
cheesy, yes. fun, very.
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