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Post by Josiah on Sept 30, 2002 17:23:53 GMT -5
just a message to put this 'scene' talk into perspective. just because there is no more burlesque house and some people are moving away doesn't make abbotsford any different than before. abbotsford is still a fairly small city with very few bands and even fewer venues. there is still nothing to do if you're lazy and middle class, and that will never change. the only thing that can change is the people. fun has to be created, this is true with anywhere, including places like vancouver and seattle. all of those kids who have big bands coming out and tons of venues are just as jaded, if not more, than you pseudo-scenesters. we're not trying to compete with anyone as to what cities have the most bands or the best shows or venues or whatever, but the whole point of what we have is to open up the eyes of the abbotsfordian youth to the potential fun to be had. i've noticed some very peculiar comments coming particularly from bary recently about how "the scene is going to fucking explode" and whatnot. well, the quality of the 'scene' lies in how we interpret it. personally, i already am having tons of fun in abbotsford. playing shows at the hippie house is so freaking fun, and i think that the reason people aren't viewing the 'scene' as what they think it should be lies in how they are interpreting it. the scene will not explode if bary decides to move into his house with his "friends" from five bucks on candy. the scene is going to explode when everyone starts contributing in some way.
also, stop using the damn word 'scene.' we've all seen pictures and music videos from the 'grunge scene.' is that what we want to become?
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Post by Jonnyvalid on Sept 30, 2002 18:06:30 GMT -5
whoo! nirvana!
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Post by SallyStalker on Sept 30, 2002 23:59:07 GMT -5
"pseudo-scenesters" Ha. Good one.
Okay, it may be true that I haven't been to a show in Abbotsford in over a year, and I think before that one, it was like, 2 years that I hadn't been to a show here. But, I think people should worry more about making good music than about having a "scene". Because a scene is nothing without music. Nothing. Well, actually, a scene that is not focused on music, but on the idea of a scene, would probably be just a loose association of people who create a bunch of drama to fill in for the missing elements, like good music and zines and causes. A real scene, not a silly hipper-than-thou scene, would be a community of artists and appreciators of art, with people participating to support each other and create outlets for art.
I'm not saying that whatever exists in Abbotsford that people might call a scene is a competition to be the hippest or whatever, I don't really know much about it. I'm just expressing what a scene should be, in my opinion.
Middle class suburbia is a difficult place to create action, most can agree, but I think what you do with what you have says a lot about you. You can whine or you can do something. I mean, look at Olympia, WA. The actual city of Olympia has about 43, 000, with 200, 000 in the county. Yet they have quite the scene. There's several successful indie rock labels based there, K Records, Kill Rock Stars, Chainsaw... Maybe they had better resources when things started down there, I don't know. But it just shows that it's possible to build a community in a smaller city.
And also if you just want a scene so that you can re-create a high school atmosphere and think getting drunk at shows is a great idea, then go hang out with some jocks or something. If you want to have a scene with shows that won't get shut down and stuff, then up the maturity level.
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Post by who the fuck are WE on Oct 5, 2002 2:18:58 GMT -5
ok, in response to what josiah wrote, we have a few comments to add. first of all, what he wrote was well thought out and quite a positive way to look at the "scene." however... we have a complaint or two. firstly, we have attended shows in abbotsford. we like the bands, we like the people, it's a good time. but we have noticed a certain stance josiah as well as other members of the hand take towards other bands and people who may have differing ideas. they put down others and in general have a condescending attitude towards whatever it is abbotsford has in the way of a musical community. this makes it very hypocritical of josiah to tell people to contribute, and when they do, put them down.... publicly. Making fun of people from the stage is pretty low. He should feel ashamed of himself. We certainly don't feel comfortable adding to HIS "scene" because we don't particularly enjoy being mocked. the concept of RESPECT may be old fashioned, but it's tried and true for good reason. how can you ever expect to have everyone taking part if you can't respect opinions different than your own? it's really quite a simple concept. So in conclusion, we think it might work out better if he would actually treat people with more dignity rather than putting them down, then we think others would be more willing to contribute!
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Post by Josiah on Oct 5, 2002 11:19:16 GMT -5
i agree whoever this is...i am an asshole. i always plan not to be, but then i just do it anyways. it truly is hypoctritical of me, and i apologize for having offended anyone. i assure you that i don't mean anything i say, i'm juts trying to have fun.
however, someones sarcastic fun should not bother you enough to post anonymously without even having the courage to say who you are, and make accusations of other people. like making fun of people from the stage, gutless, anonymous accusations are also low.
besides, my comment was aimed more at the things people have been saying about how 'there is no scene' and that 'the scene is going to explode.' these idealistic sayings mean nothing if you don't go to shows (like last night's dance party) or if you continue to make uninspired and old music. the 'scene' is here, and is happening, many people are just blind to it.
making fun of people is just our sense of humour. it means nothing at all. but if it does piss off whoever posted that anonymous email, we will consciously make an effort to change, though i'm not making any concrete promises.
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Post by SallyStalker on Oct 5, 2002 11:56:08 GMT -5
One thing you have to remember is that not everyone is going to be able to make super original inspired music when they first start out. People need a chance to develop as creators of music and come into their own. Saying that if someone's music is bad, then they shouldn't perform (I don't know if this is what you're saying or not...) is not exactly constructive. I think people should be able to perform anything that has meaning to them without criticism. They should be at least commended for their effort. Everyone has to start some where.
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Post by ryan dyck on Oct 5, 2002 16:57:12 GMT -5
my favorite part of the scene is when girls try to steal buttons off the fun 100/bull sheet table. yes! go scene. stealing seems to be pretty cool in the scene.
i'm kinda flattered that you'd try to steal a few buttons off a table of a broke art student. but next time just ask, i'll probably give them to you.
i hope you enjoy the bull sheet one you got away with.
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Post by nave on Oct 6, 2002 17:06:06 GMT -5
hahahahaha cool...
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Post by jasonthebigscenesternicholas on Oct 6, 2002 17:52:54 GMT -5
im going to kill you sallystalker. your dead. who the hell are you? do you wear converse all stars? is your hair black? if not, please stop wrighting on here, you do not belong to the scene. THE SECENE IS DEAD, THE SCENE IS DEAD. take that jo. you bastard. you die too.
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Post by Jason on Oct 6, 2002 19:39:52 GMT -5
i never wrote any of those comments.
as for the scene......... its surviving and that is swell.
jason
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Post by Josiah on Oct 6, 2002 23:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by SallyStalker on Oct 6, 2002 23:53:21 GMT -5
KILL ME. Bang bang bang. Uh, yeah.
"Wrighting"? Painful.
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Post by Roju on Oct 7, 2002 3:25:58 GMT -5
the Organ!!??! wowowowow!!! oh man....I can't be patient! The gnarwhals!! aaaaah!! too much excitement
This is the best new since they told me it wasn't malignant!
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Post by Carissa on Oct 8, 2002 1:34:53 GMT -5
I would like to make it clear that my friend and I did not intend to accuse you or anyone, we were simply making observations. You say that your sense of humour is making fun of others and that it means nothing, i'm sure that the people who are the butt of your jokes don't find them very funny. I'm sure it means something to them. And I agree with Sally Stalker when she says that musicians need time to develop their musical skills. What you deem as "uninspired" music, may be viewed as inspired to the creators thereof,as well as others. I believe the beauty of a musical community is not that everyone agrees on what is good or that every band is musically mature and perfect, but that it is a place where one can refine their talents and feel confident to do so. The scene should be a place of encouragment, instead of a source of criticism.
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Post by ryan dyck on Oct 8, 2002 19:13:42 GMT -5
in the words of James Brown,
"get on up,
get on up,
stay on the scene,
like a sex machine,
the way i like it
is the way it is.
i got mine,
he's got his"
dig?
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