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Post by jamie311 on Oct 26, 2009 15:29:36 GMT -5
Thanks so much Owen! Now i can sing along to all of the live recordings. ;D
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Post by ragamuffin on Oct 26, 2009 18:43:36 GMT -5
Wow... I'm stunned.
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Post by neptune on Oct 26, 2009 19:33:58 GMT -5
Oh wow!
I was wondering... do we know who No-Face is?
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Post by Richie on Oct 27, 2009 3:32:21 GMT -5
Ohh wow. How nice, Thank you!
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Post by gammonize on Oct 27, 2009 7:22:12 GMT -5
I always think of the No-Face カオナシ from Spirited Away, but that doesn't make sense. It just seems to be a homophobic person, whom Lewis later silences. I think his name suggests that him and his opinions (from the ballad) are invalid, which is probably why his jaw ends up broken. This is just how I think of it, though.
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Post by ben on Oct 27, 2009 9:42:20 GMT -5
I always think of the No-Face カオナシ from Spirited Away, but that doesn't make sense. It just seems to be a homophobic person, whom Lewis later silences. I think his name suggests that him and his opinions (from the ballad) are invalid, which is probably why his jaw ends up broken. This is just how I think of it, though. Why homophobic? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 10:53:01 GMT -5
Could be inspired by Owen meeting fans and them coming off as "faceless dipshits".
I'm No-face.
Anyone else find E for Estranged slightly less fictional than the rest of Heartland? Its by far one of my favorites just seems "out of place" almost. Is it a dream or something?
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Post by Thomas on Oct 27, 2009 12:01:29 GMT -5
I was gonna say, it doesn't really fit with the rest of the narrative. Unless, its Lewis recalling his past or whatever.
Owen is one of the few lyricists who I don't "get". When people tell me his lyrics are full of homosexuality, I just dont see/hear it.
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Post by gammonize on Oct 27, 2009 12:06:18 GMT -5
"Why can't you people see? Theirs is a life of mimicry
They are fathers without sons or daughters"
Gay men trying to mimic the lives of straight people, never having any children they could 'truly' call their own.
"I've lots of swishy friends around, I do, I do-dah-do"
This depends on what exactly 'swishy' means. But I think it's a common for bigots to defend themselves by saying "But I've lots of <?> friends."
No Face can't find the beauty in something so ugly, and feels it's an orchestrated version of something that is truly beautiful (that shall spell our demise!).
I guess these things could refer to a different group/collection of males. But this one makes the most sense to me.
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Post by jules on Oct 27, 2009 12:51:26 GMT -5
Owen is one of the few lyricists who I don't "get". When people tell me his lyrics are full of homosexuality, I just dont see/hear it. Your not the only one. I'm told its there, but I'm not particularily looking for references to sexuality myself. I read my own meaning into lyrics based on the emotion, tempo and delivery of the song. I'm not looking at it from anything other than the perspective of a middle aged married man with kids, so maybe I can't see the wood for the trees. Personally, I think Heartland is full of great songs with lyrics that can conjure a multitude of images in your head. |
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Post by kiwiball on Oct 27, 2009 18:09:59 GMT -5
for some reason, even though i'm aware it does not make sense with the song, "fathers without sons or daughters" makes me first think of priests.
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Post by ben on Oct 27, 2009 18:58:30 GMT -5
In The Sea Owen sings,
Gentle listener
This is why I sing
Confusion
Sweet confusion you'll be my only child
My only child
This always makes me think of his sexuality. I don't like being reductive about lyrics but this is kinda necessary with a concept album. Can't see it with No-Face, but as I can't offer a better explanation and as the point of a lyric is to inspire the listener to make their own interpretation then I can't argue!
I've just read the whole of Heartland's lyrics top to bottom and it's all starting to make some kind of sense. In many ways it seems to represent Lewis's coming to terms with atheism. He succeeds by making a tryst with an imaginary Mephistopheles, killing Owen and renouncing heaven, and then in WDYTWHN he finds resolution and his place in the world. Thoughts?
Maybe I'm taking it too far...!
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Post by sarpedon on Oct 29, 2009 10:05:02 GMT -5
Not to be a bad fan or anything, but I hope Owen pulls a "He Poos Clouds" and hands out pre-release copies and doesn't mind if it leaks. We've been waiting for this album so long that it's killing me, and I know for a fact that I'd go buy this the day it comes out; I already own the other two LPs and Young Canadian Mothers. Well, I can hope  |
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Post by Scarychips on Oct 29, 2009 16:13:02 GMT -5
Same here. The day it comes out, even if there's a snowstorm, I'll run to my local record shop and buy the hell out of it!
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Post by theaiproject on Nov 4, 2009 15:43:58 GMT -5
I've always been curious as to how "Lewis' Dream" fits into the plot. The song seems to be completely unrelated to the Spectrum universe, but is one of the three songs with Lewis' name mentioned in the title.
Also, I've never seen Lewis as a homosexual character. The only thing he seems interested in through the entire plot of the story is Owen, but I don't quite see that as a sexual thing.
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