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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 12:21:52 GMT -5
Maybe Lewis grabs No-Face by the beak of his NewEra hat and fills his fucking face in.  |
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Post by Blue Imelda on Dec 5, 2009 14:57:34 GMT -5
Well, I will probably never stop imagining No Face as a Wizzrobe from Wind Waker, but the whole "No Face is a cockatrice" idea makes a whole lot of sense. It also goes along with the religious aspect of the album. In the King James version of the Bible, "cockatrice" is used interchangeably with "serpent" on multiple occasions, and was then changed to "viper" in the NIV. For example, in Jeremiah 8:17:
It's really interesting because the serpent is seen as sort of the tempter or false prophet, and it seems that No Face (whether he's correct or not) plays that role in Lewis' life. In The Ballad of No Face, although he may not have been speaking directly them, I think he was trying to lead the people of Spectrum, specifically Lewis, astray. Like the verse
It's all true, but within Spectrum, he's really just a false prophet trying to convince them not to worship their god. That's why it gives me such chills every single time he sings "Took No Face by the beak and broke his jaw, he'll never speak again." It really shows the "ultra violent young farmer," but it's so intense and final, and it really seems like he's...well, taking action against this false prophet.
Anyway, I think I'm done babbling now. I may be way off base, and I'm sure my Christian is showing more than a little, but that's how I've always thought of No Face. I probably wouldn't have thought of it, but the cockatrice theory makes a lot of sense in just about every aspect of the story.
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Post by Alyssa! on Dec 5, 2009 15:07:26 GMT -5
You sound really on-base, there! There's more than a few puzzles that Owen throws in, and the idea of the Cockatrice is very, very compelling. Perhaps it was unintentional on his part...hmm!
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Post by meryl on Dec 15, 2009 10:08:36 GMT -5
OH I FREAKING LOVE YOU GUYS. I haven't been here in a long time and came back in search of some guidance on Heartland; I'm going to do a review of it and want to put a modicum of effort in, and your analyses will be invaluable. Don't worry, I won't rip anyone off, you are just all helping me substantially to understand the little universe behind the album. I'm most thankful. (And I'm going to the London show for sure.  |
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Post by Alyssa! on Dec 15, 2009 13:16:05 GMT -5
If it's a musical review, you only have the live cuts and Lewis Takes Action to go on...and the recordings and live cuts seem to be very different! But a lyrical/symbolic review would be really fun, and exciting...I've been meaning to give something like that a shot.
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Post by rgsc on Dec 18, 2009 10:18:16 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything more about the Canadian release of Heartland?
I am hoping to pre-order it from a cdn site/shop so I don't have to pay in USD and put in for extra shipping etc etc. Now that the Lewis Takes Action single is up for pre-order should I just bite the bullet and get it from Domino?
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Post by Alyssa! on Dec 18, 2009 12:29:32 GMT -5
I started writing up a word-by-word lyrical analysis of Heartland, now that I'm on break. First post will be up later today, and be on my little blog (homepage). Check if you care, or don't.
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Post by ragamuffin on Dec 18, 2009 12:33:49 GMT -5
I started writing up a word-by-word lyrical analysis of Heartland, now that I'm on break. First post will be up later today, and be on my little blog (homepage). Check if you care, or don't. Frankly, I can't see why anyone would do a thing like that, since it'll probably totally alter your experience of the music. I certainly won't read it as I don't want it to alter my own experience as well. |
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Post by Alyssa! on Dec 18, 2009 12:41:08 GMT -5
I started writing up a word-by-word lyrical analysis of Heartland, now that I'm on break. First post will be up later today, and be on my little blog (homepage). Check if you care, or don't. Frankly, I can't see why anyone would do a thing like that, since it'll probably totally alter your experience of the music. I certainly won't read it as I don't want it to alter my own experience as well. Lyrical themes and musical themes are meant to compliment each other, and by knowing one you gain a key to the other. I don't mean to reduce his lyrics to bits, but I liken this kind of analysis to learning and playing a piece: you know how it goes and how things work, but that doesn't mean you appreciate it less. On the contrary! It's mostly a personal exercise, but if anybody cares, it's there. |
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Post by ragamuffin on Dec 18, 2009 14:13:12 GMT -5
Frankly, I can't see why anyone would do a thing like that, since it'll probably totally alter your experience of the music. I certainly won't read it as I don't want it to alter my own experience as well. Lyrical themes and musical themes are meant to compliment each other, and by knowing one you gain a key to the other. I don't mean to reduce his lyrics to bits, but I liken this kind of analysis to learning and playing a piece: you know how it goes and how things work, but that doesn't mean you appreciate it less. On the contrary! It's mostly a personal exercise, but if anybody cares, it's there. But even with an album like this, that is based around an actual storyline, everyone will make their own interpretation of the text. It's like analysing a poem. I think it's important to be aware that texts like that usually have a meaning, that it's not always so easy to grasp and figure out, and that it might turn out to be something completely different than you had thought out. But analysing a poem breaks it down and drains the art and emotion of it in my opinion. It becomes a block of words that means something else than you might have thought it was. Misinterpretation or not, a poem means nothing but what it is interpreted as. Of course, you should go ahead and analyse it, and then broadcast that, if that's what you want to do. After all, this is just my opinion and thoughts about it. |
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Post by kiwiball on Dec 18, 2009 15:20:27 GMT -5
Perhaps just put it on your blog and link it? I would also rather not read it for more or less the same reasons as ragamuffin.
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Post by Alyssa! on Dec 18, 2009 19:49:54 GMT -5
But even with an album like this, that is based around an actual storyline, everyone will make their own interpretation of the text. It's like analysing a poem. I think it's important to be aware that texts like that usually have a meaning, that it's not always so easy to grasp and figure out, and that it might turn out to be something completely different than you had thought out. But analysing a poem breaks it down and drains the art and emotion of it in my opinion. It becomes a block of words that means something else than you might have thought it was. Misinterpretation or not, a poem means nothing but what it is interpreted as. Of course, you should go ahead and analyse it, and then broadcast that, if that's what you want to do. After all, this is just my opinion and thoughts about it. That's very true! The narrative itself is purposefully lose too, so it's meant to be open. Dude named Billy Collins said something along the lines of: good poetry analysis is like waterskating across the surface of the poem, while waving at the title on the shoreline. I liken deep analysis to a dive into that lake with goggles on. I guess I'm too cerebral for my own good, but I get a kick out of doing this. Yeah, I wouldn't post it here. You guys are too smart for me, anyway...it'll sit demurely under my avatar for anyone who has an inkling. |
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Post by Thomas on Dec 19, 2009 2:22:42 GMT -5
I DO I DO FOR I AM DUMB PLZ
not sarcastic.
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Post by Alyssa! on Dec 20, 2009 18:24:39 GMT -5
First post is going up in a little while, after that it'll be intermittent, and I'll shut up about it.
Computer woes, oh noes.
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Post by vestenet on Dec 20, 2009 19:59:28 GMT -5
NyuAlyssa, I'll definitely read through your post sometime soon when I am not supposed to be writing two research papers. Personally, I revel in that kind of "over-cerebral" analysis; I find it is usually more enlightening and, importantly, fun than it is detrimental to the work. I did a similar thing for the Spectrum EP last year, and I even started to analyze "The Great Elsewhere" back when the lyrics weren't even definite (naturally, that didn't go far).
I'll also try to join the fray if I can maintain my pretentious English major mode in the wake of these papers.
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