politics (non-xiu xiu related)

[dr. strangelove]

for those of you who wish to discuss politics with other xiu xiu fans, please do so here. this board is dedicated to a band, not a group of individuals who feel a certain way about a political ideology. however, it could be argued that xiu xiu are very political, so it's not necessarily a bad group of people to discuss those ideas with... so, argue away, but please keep the discussion in one place rather than filling the forum with rhetoric

note: if you have something to discuss that is xiu xiu related, feel free to start a new post, but check to see if someone else already started it first... for example, if you want to argue about the lyrics to "Support Our Troops (OH!)", check out this thread:

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[pantsinants]

Bush is a fucking idiot......but then again so is Kerry.....thank god i'm canadian....you guys are screwed!!!

[dr. strangelove]

so are you canadians, as there will be an exodus of liberals from this country to yours

[renhoeksmindoffline]

since you bothered to critique the US...
I'd rather live in United States, where I can make my money, by working a job and earning a large portion of my income (under the economic standards of Republicans by the way) rather than under the socialism of Canada, where a large portion of income goes directly to that of the government.
I'd much rather spend money on medicine, operations, etc., than that of waiting for months, even years for an operation, which most likely in a serious situation would leave me dead.
I trust my president, as I'm sure that you trust your prime minister, or you don't whatever.
I rely on my own opinion of government, not what a message board, or simpleton thinks of government standards, leadership, etc. Oh, and if the liberals (just as you would categorize me into 'the conservatives') do make an exodus to Canada or elsewhere, id be happy. At least now I can worship my God freely, without being told I'm an ignoramus or hick. It's all up to a person to chose their situation in life, however, I have just as much right to be a republican, Christian and music lover, as anyone else does on this message board to do otherwise.
As well I'd like to tell all the voters on this board to remember, just because you lost an election, doesn't mean you cant change the system of the US, our government is made of checks and balances, and there is always that, don't give up hope. And for God's sake, quit talking about killing yourselves over Bush, a president has power, but the majority of rule in our government comes from Congress, start worrying about that, pay attention in class, maybe you'll understand

[anon]

Guest-renhoeksmindoffline said:

since you bothered to critique the US...
I'd rather live in United States, where I can make my money, by working a job and earning a large portion of my income (under the economic standards of Republicans by the way) rather than under the socialism of Canada, where a large portion of income goes directly to that of the government.
I'd much rather spend money on medicine, operations, etc., than that of waiting for months, even years for an operation, which most likely in a serious situation would leave me dead.
I trust my president, as I'm sure that you trust your prime minister, or you don't whatever.
I rely on my own opinion of government, not what a message board, or simpleton thinks of government standards, leadership, etc. Oh, and if the liberals (just as you would categorize me into 'the conservatives') do make an exodus to Canada or elsewhere, id be happy. At least now I can worship my God freely, without being told I'm an ignoramus or hick. It's all up to a person to chose their situation in life, however, I have just as much right to be a republican, Christian and music lover, as anyone else does on this message board to do otherwise.
As well I'd like to tell all the voters on this board to remember, just because you lost an election, doesn't mean you cant change the system of the US, our government is made of checks and balances, and there is always that, don't give up hope. And for God's sake, quit talking about killing yourselves over Bush, a president has power, but the majority of rule in our government comes from Congress, start worrying about that, pay attention in class, maybe you'll understand

and his guy WON the election.

[anon]

Guest-renhoeksmindoffline said:

since you bothered to critique the US...
I'd rather live in United States, where I can make my money, by working a job and earning a large portion of my income (under the economic standards of Republicans by the way) rather than under the socialism of Canada, where a large portion of income goes directly to that of the government.
I'd much rather spend money on medicine, operations, etc., than that of waiting for months, even years for an operation, which most likely in a serious situation would leave me dead.
I trust my president, as I'm sure that you trust your prime minister, or you don't whatever.
I rely on my own opinion of government, not what a message board, or simpleton thinks of government standards, leadership, etc. Oh, and if the liberals (just as you would categorize me into 'the conservatives') do make an exodus to Canada or elsewhere, id be happy. At least now I can worship my God freely, without being told I'm an ignoramus or hick. It's all up to a person to chose their situation in life, however, I have just as much right to be a republican, Christian and music lover, as anyone else does on this message board to do otherwise.
As well I'd like to tell all the voters on this board to remember, just because you lost an election, doesn't mean you cant change the system of the US, our government is made of checks and balances, and there is always that, don't give up hope. And for God's sake, quit talking about killing yourselves over Bush, a president has power, but the majority of rule in our government comes from Congress, start worrying about that, pay attention in class, maybe you'll understand

geez, and his guy WON the election.
and the one before that. and they run congress and the senate. and a majority of the governorships. they own cable tv and talk radio. the popular vote and the electoral college.
yet he's a poor victim of the evil liberals always trying to ban his bible, run his life, and give him more affordable health care.
yeah.

[renhoeksmindoffline]

i agree, a full holding of all three branches isnt the best idea in the world, but nor would it be to have total split at this point in time. as for the healthcare, yea, itd be more affordable, but the rest of the nations money would be depleted as shit, and people still wouldnt be able to afford it. bottom line for me, i dont like the democrat's way of handling money. its my only big beef with the liberals

[anon]

what do you mean? you don't like balanced budgets and 5 trillion dollar surpluses? because thats what we had under the last democratic administration. seriously its the modern day republican party that cant handle the nation's finances in a responsible matter. bush has yet to veto a single spending bill. yesterday's fiscal conservatives are today's mainstream democrats. howard dean practically based his entire primary campaign on the need for, and promise to balance the budget and get a hold of reckless spending. i would humbly suggest you reexamine not what you believe in, but rather which party today better represents those beliefs. i think you might be surprised.

[renhoeksmindoffline]

for the twenty-billionth time im going to explain this to those who do not understand:

economic plans of administrations do not take full effect in their influence in the market until well after they are put into motion, it usually takes up to four years for it to simply become visible in the economy. such is the case with the Clinton administration. around 96, Clinton wished to push his economic plan into full swing, and he was praised, but why? well, it was because the economic standards of the past two administrations of Reagan and bush had set their second pull on the US economy, though Clinton was credited because everyone is a moron and dont even realize that economics dont take effect RIGHT THEN. so, this deficit that i keep hearing about, (which actually is building up, after four years of bush, hint hint) is Clinton's fault. Democratic economy policies are made through this: pulling money out of the ass of America that we dont even fucking have. ELP dude, ELP

[Ashes]

Guest-renhoeksmindoffline said:

for the twenty-billionth time im going to explain this to those who do not understand:

economic plans of administrations do not take full effect in their influence in the market until well after they are put into motion, it usually takes up to four years for it to simply become visible in the economy. such is the case with the Clinton administration. around 96, Clinton wished to push his economic plan into full swing, and he was praised, but why? well, it was because the economic standards of the past two administrations of Reagan and bush had set their second pull on the US economy, though Clinton was credited because everyone is a moron and dont even realize that economics dont take effect RIGHT THEN. so, this deficit that i keep hearing about, (which actually is building up, after four years of bush, hint hint) is Clinton's fault. Democratic economy policies are made through this: pulling money out of the ass of America that we dont even fucking have. ELP dude, ELP

Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? And the fact that you're so condescending about it is embarrassing. Google "deficit-reduction legislation" and let your mind be blown. Clinton had a profoundly positive effect on the economy. Continue arguing this issue, or skip ahead and ask what I do for a living, so you can be completely owned.
You seem like a nice, smart guy. Turn off Fox News and pick up an issue of The Economist. It'll do you wonders.

[renhoeksmindoffline]

actually i dont watch Fox News, I watch MSNBC. As for Clinton's effect on the economy, it has shown its weakness in the years of the first W Bush administration, and yes, I will agree, not all bad things come from Democrat economic views, there are some very strong arguments to be made for their way of handling the economy. As a whole though, I think it isn't the right way to go about things in taking care of the economy. The sad thing is, we could measure out the economy to a point where it would be balanced to a tee, but each president sets his own goals in correction of the previous administrations plans, which by that time has only begun to take effect in the US economy. There can be times where a conservative view of economy is too much, just as there are with Democrats, but i think that the Bush administrations view on economics is just as well laid out as that of Reaganonmics, the question is, what will the next president do, continue with it, or disrupt from it, like Clinton did with the Reagan/HW Bush years.

as for yr personal situations, i could care less, its none of my business

[ATX]

First of all, it's "couldn't care less". Second, why are you in this chat room if you don't care of the people who visit it?

[renhoeksmindoffline]

im on this board cuz i like xiu xiu, and this section was open to discuss politics, and i was defending my opinion, any many others opinons of politics, as well as our president. and anyone who listens to xiu xiu is awesome, i just happen to have a different opinion of politics unlike that of most people who listen to this sort of music
and thanks for the grammer correction

[sinclair]

and by the by,
the wonderful billy boy clinton could have prevented september 11th had only he bombed the shit out of possible terrorists and recognized the power and genocide of foreign leaders . . .
but no, he had to be cool, he wanted the people to like him, esp. the ladies.
you can't just blame one man or one administration for blanket issues and or events. hell, it takes over 6 months for the US economy to even effect the state of Idaho. It is all a lenghty chain of intertwined events and policies leading up to what we perceive as our present state of existence.

[hair spray world]

sinclair said:

you can't just blame one man or one administration for blanket issues and or events.

um, like blaming clinton for 911? and bush could have just as easily taken out bin laden.