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Post by Arkham on Mar 10, 2004 13:17:18 GMT -5
steve, at this present time you have '999' posts which i bet means you're the devil. sorry i didn't get to respond before you went offline last night, i will totally look you up when i go, email me a # i can reach you at when i'm there or something.
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Post by Tyler on Mar 11, 2004 18:47:21 GMT -5
wow, somebody commented on something i said a loong time ago.
I've never heard anyone say that the chances of us being here are so slim that they're considered a mathematical impossibility. they're really slim, yeah, but consider how many stars there are in the universe. 100 billion in our galaxy, and 100 billion galaxies in the universe. i think life is bound to pop up eventually.
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Post by stever representin sweetnlow on Mar 18, 2004 5:07:35 GMT -5
its not a cop out -- sure its not the best thought, but a lot of people think their faith is the only true one and some even have experiences and such to back it up with... doesn't mean any of us are right.
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Post by //* stever on Mar 18, 2004 5:17:32 GMT -5
i dont think that programs such as alpha just put in a video, feed people a meal, and then send em home.. the alpha program i went to.. had believers in god who were there for questions, discussion, prayers, and friendships that continued far after the program, i know i sound cheesy.. but thats what I call discipleship, at least. thats awesome that there was good follow through with it. Might just be the church I was a member at and stuff -- the church is totally dying do to a lack of good disciplship. Its not a 50/50 chance... God is something that is very real in my life and has, I strongly believe, made me a better person. I can say now that without a doubt, God is real and active in many lives and so on. What i am saying though is that if by chance I am wrong, I didn't really lose anything.
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Post by Steve M on Mar 20, 2004 15:22:53 GMT -5
yeah, by chance
strong faith dude
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on Mar 21, 2004 22:04:43 GMT -5
What i am saying though is that if by chance I am wrong, I didn't really lose anything. Somehow the "why the hell not" theory is a good point.
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Post by Arkham on Mar 21, 2004 23:23:55 GMT -5
isn't that the point of all religions? to find meaning this instant?
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on Mar 23, 2004 13:27:34 GMT -5
Every religion has a "point" that its members don't actually follow - Christianity in particular. "Real" Christians don't do drugs, don't gamble, don't have sex before marriage, hate gays and go to church every Sunday. I guess there's just groups of people who would rather just live life as it comes, as opposed to investigate. I can't say that about myself. I spend the better part of my time alone wondering about obscure things that I doubt I'll ever know the answer to. I do, however, think I understand what the "if by chance I am wrong, I didn't really lose anything." guy said. It's just like it doesn't seem that big a hassle to be a Christian when you're not following every nonsensical outdated rule. You might as well. It's not a huge loss if you're wrong, and if you're right, then it's definitely worth it, because you... ...get eternal life, and all that shit.
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Post by t on Mar 23, 2004 21:06:28 GMT -5
"Real" Christians don't do drugs, don't gamble, don't have sex before marriage, hate gays and go to church every Sunday. i dont believe in "real" christians. i know drug addicts who love Jesus and to tell them that they arent a real christian because they are struggling with an addiction.. just aint right. plus that church every sunday and hating gays thing was way out of line! but maybe you were being sarcastic.. its hard to tell.
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on Mar 24, 2004 14:54:49 GMT -5
I was being satirical.
The "s around "Real" were my way of saying that. Sorry, it wasn't clear.
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Post by Steve M on Mar 27, 2004 14:50:26 GMT -5
ok, this is crazy. it sounds like some of you really wished you believed in, well, im not sure what. but wouldnt you just "know" right away if you "believed" it, whatever that means anymore. i dont know. hope and faith and belief are all such funny things, if you ask me. heaven sort of seems totally irrelevent, same with hell of coarse. i like what t said about the drug addicts...
but i dont know
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Post by Sean on Apr 3, 2004 23:35:11 GMT -5
Every religion has a "point" that its members don't actually follow - Christianity in particular. "Real" Christians don't do drugs, don't gamble, don't have sex before marriage, hate gays and go to church every Sunday. I guess there's just groups of people who would rather just live life as it comes, as opposed to investigate. I can't say that about myself. I spend the better part of my time alone wondering about obscure things that I doubt I'll ever know the answer to. I do, however, think I understand what the "if by chance I am wrong, I didn't really lose anything." guy said. It's just like it doesn't seem that big a hassle to be a Christian when you're not following every nonsensical outdated rule. You might as well. It's not a huge loss if you're wrong, and if you're right, then it's definitely worth it, because you... ...get eternal life, and all that shit. The band DC Talk (which i can't stand) said it best: "The greatest cause of athiesm in the world today is christians." Too many people look at Christians and think that the Christians' actions reflect the message, purpose, and nature of Christianity, when in fact, we are all corrupt, and we all pervert Christianity to an extent.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 4, 2004 1:45:45 GMT -5
The band DC Talk (which i can't stand) said it best: "The greatest cause of athiesm in the world today is christians." Too many people look at Christians and think that the Christians' actions reflect the message, purpose, and nature of Christianity, when in fact, we are all corrupt, and we all pervert Christianity to an extent. best bumper sticker ever: "Jesus, save me from your followers" It's true with most other religions too, and everyone's pleading not to judge their religion by the members, but by its leader. Though followers of a religion are assumed to emulate their leader or founder to some extent, and that may be a fact that is seldom found. Then all the extremists and dillusionally fanatic are the ones that gain the widest exposure like on the news and form the basis of stereotypes and public perception Athiesm and paganism are the fastest growing 'religious' groups today according to stats canada. Though Christianity and Islam are still the largest, its comforting to know that possibly in the future the world will become a little more religiously diverse. Then maybe world powers will stop using religious superstition to push their agendas, and maybe even everyone will realize that all religions teach the same thing.
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Post by Arkham on Apr 4, 2004 12:29:11 GMT -5
what's so sad about the imminent day of ultimate religious compromise (though it may not be for many many years still) is that specific religious practice/rituals will give a man a whole lot more reason to be a strong person. we live in such an age of compromise, strength and character are no longer valued, and people are becoming weak and flimsy turning with the tides. can you possibly imagine what would happen if conscription were instated again? just hypothetically i mean. everyone would go berzerko. esepecially if it were against some impoverish middle-eastern country where the kids were taught to fire a gun since they were like 4. american psycho is the best movie.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 5, 2004 17:09:08 GMT -5
i am one such "weak and flimsy" fallen Christian. i believe the bible whole heartedly but have never (until recently) been anything but the basic hypocritical perfect-perfect. i hate who i was. i said what Christians needed to say. i prayed the way they pray. walked the walk and talk the talk. if anything my entire Christian life was securing a condo in hell. i've given that up. i've given up saying i am a Christian until i can honestly say it.
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