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Post by Sushi Destroyer on May 20, 2003 21:14:48 GMT -5
that seems to be the premise of the faith these days, "If you don't like it, change it as much as you want until it fits your needs." Ever wonder why there is over 30 000 different "sects" or denominations of christianity.. thats exactly what im getting at. i folow christianity. if i said anythign like, "i worship it in my own way" it was misconstrued, what i mean is that the idea is that god loves us all, and that he has some kind of "plan" for us all, so i think that if i follow the rules, then i can worship in a personal manner. i ask people what religion they are and they say things like "i take a piece from every religion" which is ridiculous, you cant pick and choose. you feelin me?
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Post by Steve M on May 20, 2003 23:18:48 GMT -5
does god change his mind?
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on May 21, 2003 6:40:26 GMT -5
about what?
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Post by Tyler on May 21, 2003 11:30:59 GMT -5
People who say they take a peice of every religion are like people who say they like all types of music. Liars! nobody likes Kenny G AND Death by Stereo.
But why can't you take bits (or make up your own) and put them together into something that works right for you? God probably doesn't change his mind (though it would make for an interesting Universe if he did), but i think using your senses and heart to discover what's true for you makes more sense than just having someone tell you what should be "true".
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Post by Steve M on May 23, 2003 14:25:46 GMT -5
does god change his mind about anything... i think he does
and no, you cant really say "if it works for me then its ok" because all of a sudden i think killing is ok and youre screwed.
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Post by Tyler on May 23, 2003 15:59:32 GMT -5
What's right for someone doesn't have to be right for everybody. I have to worry about the person whose heart tells him to kill. If someone did decide to do that, somebody else what come along and enforce their version of what's right on them. People force their idea of what's right on ppl all the time, and not just with things like murder. Trivial things like whether gays should be able to marry. Hey, i think I'm off topic.
I guess you opinion of people making up a religion that works for them is probably influenced by your own belief in something that is, to you, undeniably 'right'.
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Post by Sushi Destroyer on May 23, 2003 21:11:18 GMT -5
im talking about religions in general though. although i may be biased on the side of christianity, the point I'm trying to make is that you can't pick and choose your religions, because then it's not a religion, it's just an ethic (which is fine, as long as you dont claim it to be your religion).
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Post by iconoclastreed on Jul 8, 2003 0:10:12 GMT -5
im talking about religions in general though. although i may be biased on the side of christianity, the point I'm trying to make is that you can't pick and choose your religions, because then it's not a religion, it's just an ethic (which is fine, as long as you dont claim it to be your religion). i agree with you. when people are claiming a religion, they should try their best to follow the will of that god. theres a difference between the different sects of christianity and somebody picking what they like and dont like. the thing with a denominations is that theres conflict with the translations of the bible. what should communion symbolize etc. fundamentally different from a person window shopping for elements of their religion.
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Post by Tyler on Jul 8, 2003 11:50:05 GMT -5
Thats a bunch of bullshit! So I can't have a true 'religion' unless I follow someone elses? All the different sects of christianity started just like that. Someone said "I don't really like the way this is done, I'm going to do it my own way", and then they went and started their own church. Maybe I could legitimize my religious beliefs if I got a bunch of people to follow me?
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jay
Tasty
i am a suspect. this murder i allow.
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Post by jay on Jul 8, 2003 11:56:42 GMT -5
im talking about religions in general though. although i may be biased on the side of christianity, the point I'm trying to make is that you can't pick and choose your religions, because then it's not a religion, it's just an ethic (which is fine, as long as you dont claim it to be your religion). Yeah, you're biased - definitely biased. It's pretty clear from the quote above "you can't pick and choose your religions, because then it's not a religion, it's just an ethic" Yes, indeed we can pick and choose our religious beliefs. There might still be medieval witch burnings, and fundamentalist loonies running around your town, bible in one hand, axe in the other - lucky for us we don't live in abbotsford...
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jay
Tasty
i am a suspect. this murder i allow.
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Post by jay on Jul 8, 2003 11:58:53 GMT -5
perhaps you guys could explain the fundamental beliefs of taoism? check it out next time you're in the "religious" junkfood section of walmart...
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Post by Steve M on Jul 8, 2003 15:28:42 GMT -5
hmmm, i studied taoism in highschool.... so i have no idea what its all about, except for the yin yang symbol and what it means...
woop de frickin dooo that shits rocket science
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Post by Steve M on Jul 8, 2003 15:31:49 GMT -5
and jay... before you get your diss on, you should probably support that statement of yours
"yes indeed we can pick...."
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Post by Tyler on Jul 8, 2003 17:08:35 GMT -5
Ethic: A set of principles of right conduct. A theory or a system of moral values:
Religion: Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship
There you go Sushi Destroyer. If I only had a code of moral conduct, all i would have is an ethic. As soon as I put God or anything supernatural, it becomes religion.
And hey! What's that about 'personal' OR 'institutionalized' in the definition of religion?
Well, there you go kids!
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Post by iconoclastreed on Jul 8, 2003 22:10:28 GMT -5
Thats a bunch of bullshit! So I can't have a true 'religion' unless I follow someone elses? All the different sects of christianity started just like that. Someone said "I don't really like the way this is done, I'm going to do it my own way", and then they went and started their own church. Maybe I could legitimize my religious beliefs if I got a bunch of people to follow me? ummm.... sometimes i think its impossible for two people to truly understand each other. i guess im just talking about christianity, islam, judism (the "concrete" monoistic ones) any others? not the ones where its okay to worship anybody. i mean like people should try their best to follow the will of their god. i dont care if its just one person or more. martin luther, calvin, and all them believed that they are preaching what god wants. i guess what im trying to say is people should worship and live their life the way god would want them to, not how they prefer it. and to do that is by searching through sacred text, personal experiences, etc. i know christians who thinks its okay to sleep around because "they are not hurting anybody." i think they should at least acknowledge that polygamy is a sin. thats what i mean by window shopping for your religion. i dont mean what you think i mean. taoism is about "going with the flow."
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