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Post by Stuci Firme on Jun 3, 2004 11:42:18 GMT -5
i'm wondering about thoughts on this topic
myself, i see evolution as an obvious progress on how we can see the history of the world...
i don't see it as a cold, athiestic attack on the validity of Christian scriptures, but as something that can be adapted and worked with in explaining a lot of things...
in fact, the only religious dogmas it conflicts with are those that are supported by the first few chapters of the book of Genesis, taken literally by adamant creationists.. the Hindus and Buddhists aren't suprised to be told of the earth's age of 4 billion years, they even hold that humanity existed once hundreds of thousands of years ago..
in short, it's the classic example of conflict between religion and science, or as blavatsky notes, the awful tendency for each to claim infallibility for themselves..
evolution doesn't disprove the existence of God, or of the spiritual.. nothing of science can, because spirit, being an opposite of matter, is not in the physical domain of science.. but since everything is permeated by and reflects the spiritual world, the collaboration of religion and science is a vital tool for filling in each other's loopholes and inconsistancies..
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Post by Arkham on Jun 3, 2004 20:19:39 GMT -5
they must be a coexisting force working together all the time.
i used to be well-versed in christian dogmatic creationism.
one argument i used to give about 7 day creationism is that the moon has approximately 10,000 years of space dust accumulation... and that was my strongest point...
you learn words like "micro" and "macro" evolution to look half-intelligent to those dilligent non-believers.
a startlingly simple and effective argument for creationism is the fossil record and why there isn't a mass of in between species fossils which there should be by most lines of evolutionary logic.
i hear the common belief these days is that every whatever thousands or millions of years there's a sudden surge of evolutionary development, the last occuring about 10,000 years ago or so...
i think the best argument against seven day creationists is to tell them to look at the goddamned stars and then tell them what they're seeing is the light from a million billion years ago, or something....
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Post by Steve M on Jun 4, 2004 18:05:11 GMT -5
yeah, its just as easy to say god created "cosmos" with a history.
that reminds me, MAN do translations of john 3:16 annoy me.
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Post by neilsucks on Jun 4, 2004 18:33:18 GMT -5
i think the best argument against seven day creationists is to tell them to look at the goddamned stars and then tell them what they're seeing is the light from a million billion years ago, or something.... it would be an even better argument if you leave out "or something" my buddy's grandparant had a tree in their backyard that they had planted. one winter it froze, died and eventually fossilized. four years ago a science prof dated a sample 3 million some odd years old by carbon dating. it was rad because the tree was i guess only like 45 years old or whatever. everyone is a liar. you want to know the truth. how the world really came into existance. the wpp created it. no lie. and none of this 7 day bullshit. they did it in an hour and only took 15 minutes to rest afterwards. |
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Post by Arkham on Jun 4, 2004 21:29:27 GMT -5
i think i would look sillier saying "a million billion" than just "or something"
doosh.
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Post by neilsucks on Jun 5, 2004 10:48:31 GMT -5
hang my head in shame.
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Post by Arkham on Jun 5, 2004 16:00:02 GMT -5
that reminds me, MAN do translations of john 3:16 annoy me. how's this one? "God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone that has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die" ContemporaryEnglishVersion -taken from the "playing with purpose" new testament for GOLFERS(!!!) |
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Post by neilsucks on Jun 5, 2004 16:30:51 GMT -5
God whacked his son so people would like him more (this is what my bible says)
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Post by EighthRing on Jun 5, 2004 23:37:14 GMT -5
There is something that I think that most people have never heard of. A pastor by the name of Arnold Murrey preaches that the world is in it third "age" and that evolution is something that God came up with to screw with our heads. OK, not in so many words. But, there were "people" on the planet before we homo sapiens arrived and the rock we call home is only about 6000 years old. Don't believe me? Genesis 1, 1-5 covers both the 1st and 2nd "earth ages". But you gotta look real hard to catch it. Oh, and use the King James Version. Any of the so-called "contemporary" versions are just watered down and so mistranslated that I'm surprised that people still use them. If you get too bogged down in the Old English, get yourself a Strong's Concordance to cross reference the words that we "moderns" have forgotten.  |
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Post by wiley on Jun 6, 2004 22:25:45 GMT -5
so, when are we going to burn down galileo's house?
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Post by Arkham on Jun 6, 2004 22:47:30 GMT -5
old english is the shit. my boss at work leant me this 70 year old book of major british writers from back in the day and it has original chaucer writings and such. i haven't actually read it yet but it makes me look cool by saying i have it.
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Post by Steve M on Jun 7, 2004 1:20:08 GMT -5
im pretty sure the word for "world" is actually better translated from greek as comsos, wait... nt is greek right, shit, im rusty.
john 3:16 means god sent jeebus for everything. espascially i mean to point out that its not just mankind. thats my annoyance. i used to be really into a xian enviro group called target earth or somehting. maybe thats where i got that.
but i dunno
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Post by Arkham on Jun 7, 2004 11:24:16 GMT -5
people would be so much happier if they didn't believe they were the center of the universe.
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Post by neilsucks on Jun 7, 2004 14:44:30 GMT -5
best tshirt of all time my friend brady had:
"welcome to the center of the universe"
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Post by marco on Jun 8, 2004 21:02:46 GMT -5
There is something that I think that most people have never heard of. A pastor by the name of Arnold Murrey preaches that the world is in it third "age" and that evolution is something that God came up with to screw with our heads. OK, not in so many words. But, there were "people" on the planet before we homo sapiens arrived and the rock we call home is only about 6000 years old. Don't believe me? Genesis 1, 1-5 covers both the 1st and 2nd "earth ages". But you gotta look real hard to catch it. Oh, and use the King James Version. Any of the so-called "contemporary" versions are just watered down and so mistranslated that I'm surprised that people still use them. If you get too bogged down in the Old English, get yourself a Strong's Concordance to cross reference the words that we "moderns" have forgotten. the 3rd age ended with the defeat of the Dark Lord Sauron duuuuuuuuuuh |
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