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Post by neilsucks on Apr 5, 2004 17:33:04 GMT -5
The absolute truth: there is no absolute truth
I'm right, you're right. Believe what you will. It's all right
How can two opposite "correct" views coexist?
I believe Christ was a phoney. You believe he was the link between God and Man. We're both right.
The only way I can comprehend this is by wondering if there is some kind of SuperGod who controls the SubGods.
SuperGod puts us each in our own little world apart from eveyone else. My truth can coexist with your truth. In which case we're all wrong and we're all screwed.
And now I've confused myself.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 5, 2004 19:06:12 GMT -5
i like the quote theosophists use.. "there is no religion higher than the truth"
i believe there is an absolute truth, and that philosophy, religion and science are interrelated, and perfect wisdom comes from understanding each of them together...
it's true that most people come up with their own reality based on things they hear and make sense to them.. also, other people might add to their knowledge what they learn from experience.. but basically over the ages the same values and secret doctrines have been taught from every corner of the ancient world, but in different languages and with different personifications attatched to them...
seeing common systems being retought by countless religions has helped me piece together the theme of reality.. and that's something each person has to do on their own instead of arguing over trivial bullshit that can never be proven..
the next step is for each person to realize something is tangibly real by applying it to their life and testing its validity.. this can mostly be learned through the accounts of history though from which we can avoid errs, but there's still clouds of controversy in which we still have to find things out for ourselves.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 5, 2004 19:49:00 GMT -5
Complety, Stu. One truth. There's gotta be. I thought of this argument the other day and have had no one to seriously discuss this with.
Is it as illogical as i made it out to be to believe that two people with opposite view can both be right? I want someone to post who believes that all people can believe something different and all be right. Is it trully that you believe it or is it just a convienience. If you personally believe that say religion 'a' is the truth and some begins to argue religion 'b', do you believe that both are true or would you rather just say that and not debate?
Also I present the following dialogue to think about:
Jim: I believe that nomatter what a persons believes that is the truth for them and for their world.
John: Well I believe in religion 'a' and I believe it is the only truth.
Jim: You are wrong, any belief system is true
"There is no religion higher than the truth"....I like that a lot Stu
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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 5, 2004 22:59:49 GMT -5
If you personally believe that say religion 'a' is the truth and some begins to argue religion 'b', do you believe that both are true or would you rather just say that and not debate? ultimately i don't think you can argue which religions are 'true' unless you know everything.. in a lot of cases there are many truths and areas of confusion in all religions.. but it shouldn't be a matter of picking and choosing whatever you think is benefitial to your way of living, but more investigating why the principles are there and how they might be important in the scheme of life of the universe. Also I present the following dialogue to think about: Jim: I believe that nomatter what a persons believes that is the truth for them and for their world. John: Well I believe in religion 'a' and I believe it is the only truth. Jim: You are wrong, any belief system is true what a person believes is the truth for them, but may not ultimately be true universally.. someone can truly believe they're a duck when in fact they aren't the other points might blend down to a form of subjectivity or relativity.. illustrated by a situation where a group of blindfolded people are introduced to an elephant.. one may feel the ear claim it as what an elephant is.. another may feel the foot and claim the same thing.. and another the trunk and so one.. they're all right.. they just have different perspectives of the same thing... one of the problems though is that a lot of people aren't even close to the 'elephant' yet still making the same claim and making things complicated |
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Post by Ruby Soho on Apr 6, 2004 2:58:20 GMT -5
I think there is an absolute truth, but I don't think anyone has the right to force what they believe that to be upon anyone. Perhaps I believe that there is a heaven, and perhaps it is full of daisies and bunnies and sunshine, but that is going to mean shit all to the next guy who thinks that heaven is a place where he can sleep with as many girls as he likes and not face any consequences. I could argue all I like with that guy, but there is no changing his mind. I suppose everyone will find what there is waiting for us when they die, and until then, believe what makes you humble and let others do the same. You can't save someone when you don't even know if you are saving yourself.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 6, 2004 12:43:15 GMT -5
You can't save someone when you don't even know if you are saving yourself. Very True. |
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Post by Arkham on Apr 7, 2004 13:29:34 GMT -5
i think you have to let go of the concept of "salvation" because a desire for salvation can become a vice in itself that blinds you from a deeper truth. having a desperate feeling of wanting to save a friend from hell can destroy/distort the possible wisdom that could be learned from such a person. i'm not saying this is within everyone, but it is within a lot of people.
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