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Post by MassacreOfMonkeys on Apr 21, 2004 2:43:30 GMT -5
you know he would.
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Post by Tynan on Apr 21, 2004 5:20:30 GMT -5
sorry, i don't know if anyone posted about this, but i didn't read after the second page.
I have never followed a religion, although my mom and dad did as kids, they left it up to us to decide. I never really thought about the idea of god, or Jesus Christ until i was around 16. I've come to the conclusion after studying religions in socials studies class(which aren't very in depth, but gave me a slight understanding of some of these religions).
The main focus was pretty much on the bible, and christianity/catholicism. I do believe the bible was one of the greatest, most in depth fictional books ever written. It has all the common characteristics of a book or scripture written during those times(when jesus would have lived). Rome was at the height of it's power, and although it was the romans who did crusify him(correct me if i am wrong), they still come off as a great people in the book. It can be argued both ways tho, but jesus did die, and came back to life 3 days later or whatever, to take his rightful place in heaven, or kingdom, which ever you prefer. I haven't gotten too far into the bible, it comes off as more of propaganda, and a book filled with great hate. sorry i side barred..
What i am trying to get at, is that it is a book that forces beliefs and opinions on the weak-minded, it is mostly based around christ, it encorperates the Romans into the story line. I am really tired, perhaps i will try to explain this more in the morning.
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Post by Tynan on Apr 21, 2004 5:21:59 GMT -5
Some people would argue the Romans set him free to live on forever, or that he was murdered..
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Post by Arkham on Apr 21, 2004 10:53:24 GMT -5
the bible is made up of 66 books and i think only around 20 or so are the new testament (aka about Jesus and the early christian church). i think you have this view of Jesus as some kind of super hero or something and missed the idea of bringing God and man together and overcoming death for the sake of man. in the new testament the romans would seem like a great force because they WERE the roman empire. i'm not sure what year it was but i know at some point Christianity became the national religion in Rome. if my band had contacts like whatever christian had the in with the romans, we could reach heights only conquered by like... Barry Manilow.
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Post by skott on Apr 21, 2004 11:06:26 GMT -5
if jesus sangs songs like "drink fight and fuck", "I wanna fuck myself", and "gimme some head" and ran around naked, shitting and fighting people, maybe I would become a christian. but then i think christianity would be a lot different if jesus did that...so for now i'll just stick to GG.
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Post by xwheelercorex on Apr 21, 2004 14:42:54 GMT -5
i'm not sure what year it was but i know at some point Christianity became the national religion in Rome. it was 312 AD. Constantine was the first emperor to convert.
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Post by skott on Apr 21, 2004 20:17:35 GMT -5
if jesus sangs songs like "drink fight and fuck", "I wanna fuck myself", and "gimme some head" and ran around naked, shitting and fighting people, maybe I would become a christian. but then i think christianity would be a lot different if jesus did that...so for now i'll just stick to GG. i forgot to mention "bite it you scum"
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 22, 2004 21:06:56 GMT -5
i sing drink fight and fuck. if you want i can be your God. come on the 30th if you wanna hear a shitty cover of it.
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Post by N4L on Jul 10, 2004 2:32:42 GMT -5
christianaty is like communisium its beatiful perfectly written out and true but the way people practice it it just doesn't work
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Post by Arkham on Jul 10, 2004 3:00:41 GMT -5
the ideal is good, except for that some aspects can make you self-centered if you aren't careful.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Jul 10, 2004 12:06:14 GMT -5
yah maybe if you're looking at modern christianity as purely an ethical practice.. but it's not.. you have to believe in things and events for them to let you into their club.. then you have to learn and accept all the excuses of your denomination that cover up and explain all the paradoxes and ambiguities.. then you have to pray to and learn the personality traits of a God who is infinite, unchangeable, eternal and all-knowing.. i.e. formless, everywhere/nowhere, everything/nothing, inconcievable.. and with those traits logic denies the possibility of any type of image of some dude in the clouds...
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Post by Kenneth on Jul 10, 2004 12:38:25 GMT -5
Stu,
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
2 Corinthians 4: 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Either you believe it or you don't.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Jul 10, 2004 13:33:36 GMT -5
yah that's kinda what we've been discussing.. the 'believe it or not' stance may be fine for some, but some of us realize that blind faith doesn't make sense for us
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Post by Arkham on Jul 10, 2004 13:58:11 GMT -5
stu, what you're describing is the intellectually formidable christian who already has an understanding of the nature of what a God can or can't do before he undertakes giving his whole mind, body and spirit to "the lord". for most people however, take for a perverse example, a naive teenager who goes to a travelling circus we call christian conventions (ie: acquire the fire etc) these are held at massive auditoriums which are so emotionally charged and mob-minded there is that energy of consolidated spiritual identity between the majority of the people. joe teenager whose christian friend invited him, doesn't care or understand anything about God being everything/nothing. all he feels is the "power of Jesus" being communicated through that stupid jerk on the stage and the feeling of everyone else in the crowd getting their spiritual rocks off. so sometime near the end of the night there's an altar call, a dramatic physical act of walking to the front of the stage before the 10,000 or whatever it may be and commiting their life to Christ. they feel this 'vibe' that they don't really understand but it gives them a peaceful feeling and they see everyone else around them feeling the same thing, so it must be right, right? so he has this profound spiritual awakening or something and goes to bed a very satisfied boy. he certainly got his $40 worth didn't he? so if his friend is a good christian he will invite him to his church where his undiscriminating mind takes in everything their denomination feeds him through the youth group and pro-active youth pastor. usually what happens is the kid will be hooked up with a library of Josh Mcdowell books on living the teenage walk, or the case for faith/case for christ for teens series etc etc. if he's a probing mind, he may even undertake the blockbuster left behind series to learn what will happen in the end-times. in short, it would be better if the child had spent some time at church before going to the youth rally, especially a really boring church, so he could see real humans trying to make a go at a practical spiritual journey in real life. in stead what i see most commonly is the adoption of a shallow, self-centered christian culture that encourages you to be the hippest salt around. the sort of thought that is encouraged is this narcisssist image that you are supposed to defend tooth and nail. when the catch phrases are exhausted you see the kind of spirituality these people have. it's a very common scenario these days. Christianity is a market to sell books, music, convention tickets, and bumper stickers to. it's a terrible thing. sorry for the long-windedness of this.
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Post by Kenneth on Jul 10, 2004 14:31:30 GMT -5
Surprisingly, I agree with the above statement. I think a lot of Christians would too.
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