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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 12, 2004 16:41:05 GMT -5
from www.religioustolerance.org/satanis2.htmWe strongly recommend that the terms "Satanist" and "Satanism" be used only to refer to religions that have some direct involvement with Satan in some form. Thus a "Satanist" is one who either: 1) Worships the Christian devil. Although the Christian Churches taught during the Renaissance that devil worshipers were very common, such individuals were in fact extremely rare, and remain so. The very few who do exist appear to be solitary practitioners; they do not appear to have formed an organization. 2) Accepts Satan as a pre-Christian life-principle concept worth emulating. These are religious Satanists, who follow a number of religious traditions, of which the largest by far is the Church of Satan.
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Post by skott on Apr 12, 2004 18:19:27 GMT -5
from www.religioustolerance.org/satanis2.htmWe strongly recommend that the terms "Satanist" and "Satanism" be used only to refer to religions that have some direct involvement with Satan in some form. Thus a "Satanist" is one who either: 1) Worships the Christian devil. Although the Christian Churches taught during the Renaissance that devil worshipers were very common, such individuals were in fact extremely rare, and remain so. The very few who do exist appear to be solitary practitioners; they do not appear to have formed an organization. 2) Accepts Satan as a pre-Christian life-principle concept worth emulating. These are religious Satanists, who follow a number of religious traditions, of which the largest by far is the Church of Satan. exactly
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 12, 2004 18:35:40 GMT -5
if you are emulating (basically worshipping or attempting to live up to) the concept or principle of Satan, is his 'principle' not defined by who he is? thus are you still not worshipping him?
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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 12, 2004 19:50:44 GMT -5
no emulating is not worshipping.. satanists don't believe in the existence of the christian devil or any deity.. they worship themselves.. their doctrine is mostly based on self-satisfaction and survival.. ie. please yourself, destroy your enemy.. they don't preach hate against everybody, only to those who may do harm against them..
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Post by MassacreOfMonkeys on Apr 13, 2004 10:15:00 GMT -5
no emulating is not worshipping.. satanists don't believe in the existence of the christian devil or any deity.. they worship themselves.. their doctrine is mostly based on self-satisfaction and survival.. ie. please yourself, destroy your enemy.. they don't preach hate against everybody, only to those who may do harm against them.. Then it should be called...hmm...lets say... me-ism.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 13, 2004 12:27:19 GMT -5
no emulating is not worshipping.. satanists don't believe in the existence of the christian devil or any deity.. they worship themselves.. their doctrine is mostly based on self-satisfaction and survival.. ie. please yourself, destroy your enemy.. they don't preach hate against everybody, only to those who may do harm against them.. emulating in a sense in worshipping. you could say that Christians emulate Christ by trying to follow his lifestyle as closely as possible. to emulate someone you are basically imitating the way that they are because you admire them. no, it's not the act worshiping a person or spirit directly, but rather worshipping a model of a life you wish to live. a model defined by a single soul. in a sense emulating is simply an indirect way to worship.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 13, 2004 15:02:09 GMT -5
from dictionary.com
em·u·late:
To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation: an older pupil whose accomplishments and style I emulated. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with
wor·ship:
The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed. Ardent devotion; adoration.
the two may be similar.. but they can't always be lumped together as the same.. sometimes someone may worship something to the point that any form of imitating it may be considered disrespectful..
also, striving to be like someone doesn't mean you're worshipping them.. it can mean you have respect for them, or even you may imitating someone to make fun of them..
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 13, 2004 15:28:38 GMT -5
I'm starting to understand better, I think. What is the puspose of holding the principle of Satan as a concept to achieve if the religion or lifestyle itself has nothing to do with him. Are the people who practice this form of Satanism basically not worshipping Satan but worshipping themselves the way Satan worshiped himself. If so I can understand now how Satan is not always a part of Satanism. But my question is now what differs a Satanist from an Existentialist? Or are they basically the same?
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Post by only Daniel on Apr 20, 2004 8:57:37 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and I hope no-one discredits what I have to say becuase of that. Its too bad I found out about this discussion so late, I´m afraid I might be a little off topic by now. First of all, I totally understand what Steve (and possibly Brandon) are talking about. So called Christians (which only means follower of Christ) over hundreds of years have been doing some pretty awful stuff. I can see why many people hate Christianity and Christians. One thing I always try to tell these people is that these actions are not at all what Jesus wants. Here is Jesus´ message to humans summed up in a sentence ´Love the Lord with all you heart, and love your neighbor as yourself´. So much of what Christians have done has been very unloving towards their nieghbor (neighbor means everyone, not just the guy next door). I see the hypocrisy and I´m guilty of it myself. Please remember people like me are still human and are always going to be tempted to do wrong and to be selfish. If I was perfect I wouldn´t need God. I think everyone should read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. It is an amazing book talking about what Christians believe. The best thing about the book is that it challenges the reader to think for himself, not just be brainwashed by religious junk. This post is getting really long and is not really on the topic of Satanism and Existentialism, so sorry about that.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 20, 2004 12:26:14 GMT -5
dont be sorry man, the board is meant to hear people's opinions. what Christ taught is not what most Christians do. they preach it, because Christ preached it, but they can't live up to it fully because after all we are human. thus all Christians are hypocrites to some degree. but i think it is more honorable to fail over and over trying to live up to what Christ preached than to never fail at something driven by evil. meh, but that's just me. we obviously can't hit prefection because we're human, but if we aim for it with all of our heart, i figure thats just as good. what turned me off of Christianity is when i realized i wasn't trying as hard as i said i was. i was preaching and putting on a huge act. that is not the kind of example i plan to give to people.
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Post by Arkham on Apr 20, 2004 16:48:05 GMT -5
i dont like satan. he lies to me all the time. i think i heard rob luce at acquire the fire say the exact same thing before. you should go to their website if you actually want to learn something.
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Post by skott on Apr 20, 2004 17:46:27 GMT -5
i think that GG Allin was god, and that we should all try to live our lives like GG.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 20, 2004 18:29:08 GMT -5
i think that GG Allin was god, and that we should all try to live our lives like GG. i think GG allin rubs poo on himself which automatically disqualifies him from being God.
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Post by Steve M on Apr 20, 2004 19:39:02 GMT -5
this just in:
christianity doesnt have a shit of a shit to do with christ anymore.
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Post by neilsucks on Apr 20, 2004 21:09:13 GMT -5
maybe if Christ rubbed shit on himself skott would become a Christian.
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