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Post by Steve M on Oct 3, 2003 14:24:49 GMT -5
as they are fixed, plants grow towards the sun. there was a study that some poncho did with plants... i dont know EXACTLY how it went but they had a small greenhouse with plants. buddy#1 went in there and thrashed up one of them. both plants (i think they were gerbera's actually) let off "screams", a high frequency distress signal, as it was interpreted. this is no secret that plants do this, any grower would agree, but this is not a surprise. buddy#2 took care of the other plants, watering them, feeding them, and whatnot. a week later buddy#1 re-entered the same place and the plants began to scream, in anticipation obviously. this may mean plants not only feel pain, but call for help, AND remember thier "oppressor". i work in a greenhouse. does that make me some sort of nazi (throwing out all imperfections...)? hmmmm. there is also a short story about something pretty close to this in SKIN- a group of short stories by roald dahl. its really sweet. yup. soccer, kick it.
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Post by Steve M on Oct 3, 2003 14:32:26 GMT -5
for me, it seems obvious that wherever human life is all other forms of life will suffer. be them trees, reaching for the skies, or an inferior life form such as the chicken, as joyfull as they are. can you minimize the destruction you cant help but do? do you even want to?
i dunno, just some ideas
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Post by Tyler on Oct 3, 2003 16:11:34 GMT -5
i agree whole-heartedly with your second post, but i would definitely like to see this study you mentioned in the first. how could the plants tell when destructo-buddy was there? they have no sensory organs. who are they calling out to for help? no animals can hear this call.
i think we can certainly minimize the destruction humans tend to do, because it's not that we can't help but do it. the somewhat dissapointing fact of animal life is that we need to destroy other life to live, but that doesn't mean we can't be concerned for the things we destroy, and minimize suffering. if you still eat meat, fine, but at least do something to support the ethical treatment of the animals while they're alive. unfortunately, treating animals kindly is not profitable, so nobody does it, so i think it's best to avoid meat altogether.
as for the destruction of our environment, i think we definitely need to be more concerned with the rate that we are gobbling up our resources, and move toward a more sustainable developement. unfortunately again, this isn't very profitable, so it just isn't happening. but i think that slowly people are starting to realize that they can't ignore it any longer, and things are going to have to change, but maybe i'm just optimistic (and long winded)
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Post by Steve M on Oct 3, 2003 16:20:55 GMT -5
god fearing?
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Post by MrWizard on Oct 3, 2003 22:52:18 GMT -5
I personally am a strong believer in not eating spinach. For I don't want it to suffer. ;D
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Post by MrBad on Oct 3, 2003 23:01:10 GMT -5
Popeye the antichrist........lives in a frying pan, turns on the gas, burns off his ass. Jesus the french poodle.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 6, 2003 11:58:53 GMT -5
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Post by Steve M on Oct 6, 2003 16:21:44 GMT -5
its wierd when people feel for causes but dont believe in anything (as far as spirituality goes). its also wierd that xians in general arent more environmentalists on account of john 3:16. its obvious its become a religion that can be easily manipulated.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 6, 2003 17:00:58 GMT -5
what makes you assume I don't believe in anything spiritual? i just don't fear god.
and did you mean environmentalism is a religion that can be easily manipulated? or something else?
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Post by Steve M on Oct 6, 2003 23:30:58 GMT -5
1. oops, said the wrong thing. plus, i wasnt talking about you exactly.
2.xianity = easily manipulated
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Post by Spider on Oct 8, 2003 14:07:59 GMT -5
i killed a trantula once
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Post by Arkham on Oct 9, 2003 15:16:02 GMT -5
you are very right that christianity can be easily manipulated. a religion where the majority of its followers haven't even read their own holy book and get most of their morals and ethics from the pulpit (or from their sub-culture) leads to major major cultural influence. this has always been true throughout the ages.
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