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Post by Arkham on Apr 19, 2003 17:23:18 GMT -5
we are totally subjective beings with no possible way to really decide anything and we are forced into a world where the route we choose will ultimately determine our existence for all eternity. there's no way out of it either. if don't pick something you're fucked. if you pick something, believe it wholeheartedly and it's wrong, you're fucked. i don't care what anyone says, you can't be objective. if you think you are, you can never know if there's something beyond what you think. AND THERE ISN'T A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. enjoy your day.
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Post by JohnnyRansom on Apr 20, 2003 4:13:44 GMT -5
what can you pick to believe wholeheartedly thats wrong? please, do tell me, what religion or faith or belief system is completely wrong? and hey, which one is right? yours? no, mine. says who?
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Post by Arkham on Apr 20, 2003 11:24:44 GMT -5
there may be some truth to every religion, but two belief systems that claim two different things about one issue (ie: how to get to heaven) can't disagree and both be right. you can wholeheartedly believe that 1+1=3 but just because you believe it does not make it Truth. there has to be objectivity with everything because people don't know anything. being a little bit right about peripheral issues in any religion really makes no difference in the eternal sense. also, i'm sorry about the demeanor in which i wrote those posts yesterday, i was in a shitty mood.
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Post by holygoat0106 on Apr 20, 2003 12:23:16 GMT -5
brandon youre being very sadistic in a way...is something wrong, dude? anyways, the beauty, i think, about faith is that the truth is iirelevant, what u believe is what you believe and it doesnt have to be one particular faith, what you believe in is like your own unique glove, it fits you and only you, everyone is different, a million people can say they believe in christ but they all have their own little questions and ways of believing in him that suit them the most. fuk truth. just embody your own spirituality, whatever it may be, i dont think we're meant to know the truth, i think that if we ever will, it will come to us, we cant come to it.
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Post by Arkham on Apr 20, 2003 14:28:09 GMT -5
i can be sad, but not istic. i would disagree with several of your points. the truth is never irrelevant. i actually believe that truth is the most relevant thing in the universe. if truth wasn't relevant then anyone could do anything and it wouldn't matter because everyone would have equal an opinion about everything. and that would be dangerous. it's very easy to say to everyone in the world that they are never wrong. i think that would be the easiest thing to say to the world. but it's obviously not the best thing to say to everyone because as i'm sure you would agree that there are people that want to do bad things and a lot of the time it is necessary to stop them from doing those bad things. if my religion glove said i could eat my parents for easter dinner do you think i should be stopped?
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Post by Arkham on Apr 20, 2003 14:35:18 GMT -5
also, you are correct in your observation that christians have their own little observations about how their faith is best suited, when people get organized and do this they call it a denomination. but all of these denominations hold the highest value in the core principles of christianity ie: acknowledgement of sin, ressurection, and the deity of Christ as he is presented in the gospels. if this criteria is not met, they can be called a sect or a cult.
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Post by Steve M on Apr 20, 2003 15:28:14 GMT -5
so what are our poor souls to do?
or do we have opinions for no reason at all.
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Post by Arkham on Apr 20, 2003 16:19:36 GMT -5
my stance (as if anyone really wants to hear it) is that true honesty and humility with yourself and the situation is the only way to come to a real conclusion about any of it. honesty is the hardest thing ever. sometimes you think you're being honest and humble, but it's just you lying to yourself for your own selfish benefit. the most interesting part of all this though is that pride and humility are such basic concepts and it doesn't matter how intelligent you are, everyone has a basic understanding of selfishness and the ability to choose between the two so that no one is unaccountable to theirs actions.
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Post by holygoat0106 on Apr 20, 2003 22:52:39 GMT -5
:Dmy gods, i think he's seen the light!!!! lol
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Post by Arkham on Apr 20, 2003 23:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by Keyboard on Apr 22, 2003 0:00:46 GMT -5
I like Sam Roberts. I hate Gary Roberts. And Owen Nolan. Old men with no skill. People say heart, I ask, "what heart?" Mogilny has no heart, I mean, you could argue, but he doesn't. What he does have, ladies, is skill. Pure, delightful, electrifying skill. And I'll take that over heart, because in the end, that's what counts.
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Post by Stuci Firme on Apr 22, 2003 10:48:49 GMT -5
I agree with Brandon about honesty being crucial to your belief system, and honesty will at most times clash with faith which usually breaks things apart.
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Post by holygoat0106 on Apr 22, 2003 13:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by Arkham on Apr 22, 2003 21:05:19 GMT -5
remember that a belief system isn't always related to religous doctrine either. it's anything in your life that you know you should change but justify or choose not to think about.
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Post by Steve M on Apr 24, 2003 12:56:28 GMT -5
i cant relate i hate the words beleif and faith i dont buy them
i feel like i "know" when im at that point
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